Stainman

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Posted By: dan mckee

Has anyone used stainman in New York to remove stains? He had a 2 page article done on him in SCD I am told. I haven't read it yet. Dan.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

I have not and would consider that card alteration and unacceptable.

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Posted By: rand

is it possible PSA has recieved cards from this guy and have been graded as such (not noticing the previous stains).

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Posted By: Doug

Here's a link to the article: http://www.sgccard.com/boards/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1978449&page=1

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Posted By: peter ullman

Rand...it is more than likely all the grading co's have graded cards that have had stains removed!

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Posted By: dan mckee

I am bidding on an SGC graded card from the guy now on ebay, I guess there is no way to really tell if he worked on it or not. I personally do not care when buying for myself but I do agree with Jim technically. Since I collect, I would prefer a better appearance while the card rests in my plastic sheet in my binder. That is if I don't trip over the huge pile of broken slabs I have in my basement getting to the binder.

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Posted By: rand

if i had a card and it could look better and get graded, i have no problem with it.

why is it an issue when Paintings from the Masters have restoration all the time, the Mona Lisa was restored among many many others. its not uncommon for old posters or papers to be restored, classic cars, ect. ect.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Rand,

If the stain was removed and it was disclosed I have no problem with it either--it is when it is done with no disclosure that I have a problem with.

Jim

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Posted By: rand

hey Jim, i agree to a point... any restoration on Fine Art, Autos, Homes ect, are disclosed. but we both know dealers are not going to say anything, once the card is in plastic its a free pass for any restoring process that may have occured

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Rand,

Agree-most dealers will try to sneak it through grading companies and if they are successful its like it never happened.

Jim

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Posted By: Rob D.

Assuming that Dick Towle's statements about his work being undetectable are true, I'd like to see Kevin S. examine a couple of cards that Towle has worked on and see if he agrees. My guess is that Kevin might know more ways to detect such work than do the folks at PSA, SGC, etc.