the inequities of grading

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Posted By: leon

I bought my Blue background Matty many years ago from Scott B. I thought it was a great looking card and I think I bought it graded.....Justice doesn't seemed served when you see cards like these....Note both Mattys are same grade...there is a hairline wrinkle next to Matty's head on my SGC40....and this is also why we have to be careful using ANY price guide....virtual or paper....imo....best regards (sorry for the extra Clarke scan...ya take what ya can)...

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Posted By: jeffdrum

You were robbed! Not an exact science but that is an injustice!

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Posted By: barry arnold

Leon,
man, that's an inequity without peer.
sorry,buddy

best,

barry

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Posted By: Tony Andrea

Leon -
I'd resubmit that card for review in Chicago next week.

Tony

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Posted By: leon

I was just showing an example. My card could be argued to a 50....big deal....My point is really more about buy the card and don't always take historical prices at face value when determining a value/price.....These could very well both still be 40's, and at most mine is a 50, but there is a huge difference in eye appeal. For the record I paid $60 less for mine than this other one sold for on ebay a day or so ago.....however, my buy was about 7-8 yrs ago...I think...So I did buy the card and not the holder and paid a premium for the card (at the time) relative to the grade...

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Posted By: Matt

leon - that's an excellent point. Another example would be Lance's T205 Cobb - even if it had come back from SGC as a 20 due to the back damage, there's no way it should be valued the same as a 20 that has major surface damage, tears, creases, etc.

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Posted By: jay wolt

"but there is a huge difference in eye appeal"

Leon - I agree, especially when I see lower graded
Old Judges w/ clear & vibrant photos but w/ wear on
the corners in comparison of higher graded cards w/
sharper corners w/ photo's that are dull & faded.

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Posted By: cmoking

Even though they have the same grade, I'm confident Leon's SGC 40 would sell for much higher if both cards were in auctioned off at the same time. Rarely does a graded card sell without a scan anyway. The possible exception may be a large group or a set of graded cards where they may only scan a few cards. So I'm not concerned about the inequities of grading...only the number is the same, the price would definitely be different.

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Posted By: Matt

One additional comment. In my experience, once people see the grade, they use the scan to decide within that pricing slot, how much it's worth to them. So, while one 40 will sell for more then the other, I doubt it would sell for as much as the average 50.

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Posted By: leon

I agree. That is exactly the point I made when I said I paid a premium when I bought it....I bought it on eye appeal. Recently I have been looking at a lot of guides with historical prices....but without a scan it's very difficult to know if the card that was sold was nice, for the grade, or not....which, sort of goes back to the original point I was making....regards

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Posted By: Fred C

I like to look for cards with really good eye appeal and a low grade. The lower grade provides a discount and the eye appeal just makes me enjoy the purchase, that much more. I've seen so many examples of real insane comparisons in cards of the same grade. This is why I think the card companies shouldn't assign a numerical grade because they tend to look rather silly when obviously horrible comparisons appear in b-board threads like this.

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Posted By: JimB

Who cares what the technical grade is? That is a beautiful card. The good news is that you probably got a great deal on it, even given the premium.
JimB

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Posted By: Lyle

is the " OR " part of grading . Your beautiful card, Leon, could have a crease and/ or rounded corners and it would be exactly the same grade. Cards are graded on only the worst defect not on the number of defects . Obviously , this can greatly affect the important aspect of eye appeal .

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Grading is a serious as you take it.

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Posted By: William Cohon

When you get a chance, could you edit your post, please? There's a bothersome typo that causes it to grade lower than it should.

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Posted By: T206Collector

As I've said a few times on here:

1) Grading is best used to tell you what you can't see from a scan. The Matty that looks VG didn't need to be graded; the one with the hairline crease did.

2) Grading is like a pyramid. At the top, all the 10's will look the same because they're perfect, but as you downgrade from 9 to 8 to 7 .... to 3 to 2 to 1, the reasons for each grade will vary dramatically. At the lower levels, there are a whole host of reasons for low grades. At the bottom, not all 1's will look alike -- in fact, it is probably safer to say that all 1's will be uniquely damaged.

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Posted By: Sean

WOW sorry leon
at best that should be a 60
WOWWWWWWW
My Deepest Condolences To You