Questionable T206 Lenox Red Cobb on ebay?

[HobokenJon]

Check out this GAI "1st Graded" T206 Red Cobb currently for sale on ebay, which supposedly got a grade of 1, or "Poor."

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...item35c3034ba1

Now check out this GAI "1st Graded" T206 Red Cobb, which shows a grade of 2, or "Good," and was sold by Legendary Auctions in October 2005.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...entoryid=49921

Hmm. Thoughts? Notice the differences between the flips on the two GAI holders. (The GAI 1 flip looks a bit odd in my opinion.) Wonder which of these "1st Graded" cards was graded, uh, first.

[DerekMichael]

I spoke to the seller briefly. He was a very nice guy and it did seem the card was legit, however the "first graded" thing is actually kind of odd. Hmmmm ...

[freakhappy]

Maybe this will help...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=82799

[iwantitiwinit]

I saw this card yesterday also and thought if legit its a heck of a buy, Reverse looks strange though. On the bottom right where the creases are it looks like there is actually some bubbling. Could it be skinned?

[Runscott]

Danger Will Robinson!

The front and back creases don't even come close to matching up - they should mirror much more closely

edited to add: in my very humble and sometimes questionable opinion

[T205 GB]

Looks like the creases match up fairly well. Also the right side shows a faint Piedmont or Tolstoi OP on it.

[atx840]

Thanks for posting.

I'd think that it's a risky endeavor to fabricate this for what isn't a substantial amount of money compared to what the Drum or RHs went for. Your Cobb and Lenox "parts" cards for this would likely run 1k-2k.

Great card!

[Al C.risafulli]

Miguel is correct about how the GAI "first graded" designation worked.

They assigned a "first graded" card to each GRADE. So, for example, the first 1979 Topps Kiko Garcia that graded GAI 10 would receive a "first graded" designation, as would the first 1979 Topps Kiko Garcia that graded GAI 9. Theoretically, they could have a "first graded" designation for every grade.

Entirely possible to have a "first graded" Lenox Cobby in GAI 1 and 2, in other words.

-Al

[Brian Weisner]

Hi Guys,
I was offered the card 6-7 years ago by an advanced collector who I purchased many rare back T206's from... Here is a scan of the raw card in a group from that time... I purchased the Evers/Drum instead... I wish I had purchased the Cobb too....

Be well Brian

[Mikehealer]

Hi Brian
I like the Evers, wish I had a card/cards to trade for it.
But I'm sure you have multiples of every card I have.

Happy New Year

Mike