1909 E92 Nadja Caramels

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

I have been working on an E92 Master set for about 10 years. The Nadja's are somewhat a mystery. The check lists show 62 possible cards, but I can only confirm 48, unfortuately not all mine. I suspect that there are only 50 cards, like the Candy and Cocoa sets. Can any board member confirm any or all of the 14 cards that I can not?

1 Jack Barry
2 Bob Bescher
3 Ty Cobb
4 Wild Bill Donovan
5 Red Dooin
6 Pasty Dougherty
7 Larry Doyle (with bat)
8 Johnny Evers
9 Red Kleinow
10 Otto Knabe
11 Larry McLean
12 Dots Miller (fielding)
13 Honus Wagner (batting)
14 Heinie Zimmerman

Thanks - Peter

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Posted By: robert a

Peter,

I thought it was a group of St. Louis players that were discovered in the 80's that put the set at 62?

Robert

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

I think that that discovery greatly increased the number of St. Louis player cards, but some of the cards were already known and some were not. Lou Lipset's book discusses this and indicates that the cards all had corresponding E90-1 poses. PSA and SGC pop reports show less than fifty different cards graded - no Cobb - graded by either. Both pop reports list players alphabetically by first name (???) and SGC does not differenciate players that have two poses so the reports are hard to use. However if there is a Cobb Nadja I find it very unlikely that one has not been graded.

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

Cobb and Evers exist my man!



BcD

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Posted By: petecld

Personally, I don't see why all 50 subjects won't be found but I can confirm two from your list.

Unless, other names are confirmed, it is possible 12 subjects were pulled and replaced with the 12 St. Louis players that that is pure speculation and I doubt is the case. I can confirm the following:

- Johnny Evers (could have bought it years ago but passed) Ah, why is hind-sight the only 20/20 sight I have...

- Honus Wagner - Batting (I have an example.)


FYI - In the last 2-3 years I have only been able to find ONE subject I needed. - THANK YOU, ZACH!

When I asked Lew a few years ago, he told me he recalled only one Nadja Cobb and that he had sold it many years ago.

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Posted By: Zach Rice

Pete,

I'm just glad I could help you out. I knew the card was better off in your collection than in mine. Though I should be thanking you for the E104-3 that you sold to me a little bit ago !

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Posted By: B.C.Daniels

how nice was the Evers? mine is ex-

same card?

BcD

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

1 Jack Barry
2 Bob Bescher
3 Ty Cobb yes BCD
4 Wild Bill Donovan
5 Red Dooin
6 Pasty Dougherty
7 Larry Doyle (with bat)
8 Johnny Evers yes BCD and petecld (could be same card)
9 Red Kleinow
10 Otto Knabe yes Tim N
11 Larry McLean
12 Dots Miller (fielding) yes BB
13 Honus Wagner (batting) yes petecld
14 Heinie Zimmerman

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Posted By: Bobby Binder

We have confirmed sales on 18 of the 62 cards in our system as follows:

Bailey
Bergen
Bresnahan
Doyle-throwing
Ellis
Gibson
Hartzell-Bat
Hartzell-Field
Howell-follow
Magee
Miller-Field
Oakes
O'Hara
Phelps
Stone-Blue
Stone-Green
Wagner-Nat
Wagner-Field

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

I have a Knabe with a Nadja back--

Tim

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

My theory of 12 eliminations to account for the 12 added is shot. Maybe when the 12 that were added 12 that were in print were substituted and that accounts for realitve scarcity of some cards including nine that still are not comfirmed. It seems that some like the Cobb and Evers are very scarce and there are many St. Louis Cards. Pop reports and ebay listings seem to confirm this. If the cards were printed in 25 player sheets and the a revised plate with 12 St. Louis cards was printed in quanity then there would be 25 players with high production and 12 with very low production. Maybe a revised plate was printed with two of each St. Louis Player and one other. Does anyone know of an uncut E92 sheet?