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Old 08-30-2006, 11:27 AM
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Posted By: JimCrandell

Is taking a crease out of a card EVER ok to do?

1 Yes or 2 No

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Old 08-30-2006, 11:31 AM
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Whoop-s--my vote is 2. No

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Old 08-30-2006, 11:32 AM
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NO

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Old 08-30-2006, 11:35 AM
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No.

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Old 08-30-2006, 11:36 AM
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NO

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Old 08-30-2006, 11:37 AM
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Old 08-30-2006, 11:39 AM
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Nope.

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Old 08-30-2006, 11:40 AM
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Posted By: T206Collector

I believe it is okay to remove scrap and glue from the back of a card using water, drying and pressing.

I also believe that this may reduce the impact of a crease on a card.

I do not think it is wrong to do 1 when the result may also be 2.

I generally think the intentional removal of a crease raises an eyebrow, but I have a hard time distinguishing that from other "permissible" forms of alteration that I agree with, including the above-mentioned soaking, and pencil erasures.

I'm going to have to give this some more thought and keep reading the opinions of the Board members.

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Old 08-30-2006, 11:43 AM
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NO

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Old 08-30-2006, 12:03 PM
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Posted By: Keith O'Leary

NO

I will say I've erased light pencil in the past (if theres no indentation in the card) and have soaked cards out of albums with varying success.

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Old 08-30-2006, 12:09 PM
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Posted By: leon

no


btw, I had this poll in the old days when I was contemplating taking the crease out of my most prized card. Not one person said they would do it so i didn't....and am very happy with that decision...

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Old 08-30-2006, 12:14 PM
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Nope.

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Old 08-30-2006, 12:15 PM
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Leon,
what is your most prized card???

you had to ask (leon)


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No

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2. no

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yes

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Old 08-30-2006, 12:46 PM
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Posted By: Griffin's

No.

I wonder if the reason some cards that are cited as overgraded is from creases that were taken out and then reappeared over time, in the slab.

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No.

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Posted By: dd

Yes,

If and only if the card will be yours forever(no profit motive).

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Old 08-30-2006, 01:26 PM
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dd,
Nothing is forever. We are merely temporary custodians of these.
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dd; You do realize that within a week of your passing, your stuff will be out in the driveway awaiting the earlybirds... Unless you've discovered DeSoto's Fountain of Youth.

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Posted By: Bob

No.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

I'm against removing wrinkes, but won't say it's never okay.

I'm against trimming and other alteration to get a higher grade, but I find it interesting that most Pre-War collectors have an aesthetic view based on what a Pre-War card looks like in 1999 not 1909. The T206 with stains and worn corners and a crease is not the way it orignally looked. It originally looked closer to a PSA9 or well restored card. This aesthetic bias is probably because none of us collected the cards when they were new, and only ever remember them being the proverbial 1999 versions. I'm certain that our athestic views, including whether a worn stained card should be restored to new look, would be different if we collected T206s in 1909.

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Posted By: Rick

I vote NO.

there is just no way to tell wether it will show up later on.

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Posted By: Jim Crandell

Unofficial Tally:

Yes 3
No 28

This helps offset my dismay of the results of Leon's polls.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Yes, it is ok for you to remove a crease. But not me.
1 = YES

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Posted By: Bob S

No....it's just as bad as producing the ultimate counterfeit card (with no possibility of detection), by a printing/paper conservator, imo.

Bob

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Posted By: JimB

Gil,
Libertarian politics aside, do you prefer other people not remove creases or are you truly ambivalent?
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Old 08-30-2006, 06:37 PM
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Ambivalent? No, I prefer girls. Prefer heck, I insist on 'em. Exclusively.

But do I prefer to have creases removed from cards? When I can not detect their removal, I guess. No, I don't.

Why would anyone prefer cards which have had creases removed?

Maybe if they were cheaper. But why would that be, if you couldn't tell?

But none of this is what you asked. Sorry Jim, I do tend to ramble sometimes.

"do you prefer other people not remove creases"

Is what you asked.

Jim if I could prohibit doctoring under any circumstances, I would. But I can not change reality. Where there is motivation to cheat, there will be cheaters. So, you either develop a rational for acceptance or man the guns to fight it. I can not win this fight, and I can tolerate cheating. So the rational I have come to accept is that if it is good enuff to pass the slabbers muster, I sure ain't likely to notice it. (And being an anti-slab guy I hate to admit that) I only buy high priced cards from persons whose opinion I respect as much as the graders, or I buy slabbed cards, then crack them out.

Now I recognize that there are restorers out here who can doctor very well. Generally I am not in the market that this level of skill would be brought to bear on a card, but when I am - I sincerely believe that if a correction is undetectable, it does not exist.

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Posted By: dennis

"I sincerely believe that if a correction is undetectable, it does not exist."
truer words were never spoken!

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NO

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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

"I sincerely believe that if a correction is undetectable, it does not exist."

By that logic if an athlete takes steroids but also takes a masking agent that prevents its detection, does that mean the athlete did not take steroids? Or, to put it another way, it's ok to be deceptive as long as you can't get caught? I understand the practicalities of this approach, it enables us to buy cards and not worry, but I don't think it answers Jim's question which concerned whether it was right or wrong.

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Posted By: T206Collector

"I sincerely believe that if a correction is undetectable, it does not exist."


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Old 08-31-2006, 08:09 AM
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Posted By: andy becker

no. never.

someone else brought this up in another thread, but to respond to "I sincerely believe that if a correction is undetectable, it does not exist."
so, by that thinking....if you commit a crime and don't get caught, then you haven't committed a crime?

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