1949 Leaf question??

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Posted By: Jim Manos

I have the 49' Leaf red Hat variation card which is one of the highest valued cards in the set and double that of any of the "short prints" I have taken it off the market and sent to get graded.(psa 4 I would say) Only 7 cards have been graded. My question is why is there no demand for the card?? I assume because it is the first yr in the book or people don't really know of the variation yet??? No clue?? I know there are numerious collectors of this issue?? Unique thing is in MAstro cataloge they have a complete set of 100 of 101 and missing one card and it is the Red Hat Peterson. (forget the lot # ) Leon, this is not a sales pitch. I just have had the thing and posted for a few weeks and have gotten no interest at all? Am I missng something about this card?? Other than there ugly cards(my opinion)??

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Jim

This variation is well known to serious collectors of the 1949 LEAF BaseBall set.

Recent sold prices of this card (on ebay or at shows) range from $250 - $400
for Vg-Ex to Ex/Mt cards.

It is definitely a "short-printed" variation card from the 1st Series of this set.

Incidently, in the Fall issue of the Old Cardboard magazine, I have written a
detailed article on the 1949 Leaf set.

Ted Z

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Posted By: Jim Manos

It is good to see someone else up early. Ha. Do you think it is more scarce than the single prints in the set? Since Lemeke has it at Double the price, or maybe it just has not caught on yet?? I just looked in my most recent SMR and they don't even list the card?? Which I find very strange?? So this was printed with the 1st series. Dump question were most of the SP done in the 1st or 2nd series?? Thank you in advance my fellow Greek.

Maybe I should wait till the fall issue comes out before I put on the market, anxious to read the article on the set...

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Posted By: Griffins

PSA only started labeling this variation a few months ago. I either have or had 6 of them- I sold PSA 5's for $850. and $750., a 4 went for $550.

I"ll agree with Ted that hardcore Leaf collectors know about this, but since it was only added to the book this year and PSA's registry a few months ago word is just getting out. IMO it is not as tough as any of the short prints, nor the Hermansk error. Probably about the same as the Aberson short sleeve variation.
PSA had graded 11 this year, but certainly some of the none designated Peterson's graded in prior years were also RedHats.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Griffins

Your observation that the Kent "Red Cap" Peterson is equivalent to the Cliff
Aberson (short-sleeve) in scarcity is pretty accurate. Both these variations
were printed in later press runs of the 1st Series of 49 cards.

My Leaf collection from my youth (over 100 cards) contained the "black cap"
Petersons and the "long-sleeve" Abersons. These cards had to be from the
very 1st press runs as they were available very early in the Spring of '49.
Just before the Baseball season started.

Leaf changed the color of Peterson's cap to be consistent with all the other
Reds cards (Blackwell, Klu, Vandermeer, etc.) in the set whose caps originally
were Red.

Ted Z

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Posted By: Griffin's

Ted-
What was/is your experience with the Hermansk? Was it on the early run and then fixed for the later runs, or was it a plate that was blocking up as the run went on, like the '58 Herrer error?
All the cards I have are either '48 or '49 copyright, am I correct in assuming no card has examples with both copyright dates?
Will your article include an image of an uncut common series sheet, or do you have one you can post?
Anthony

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Anthony

1st.....I will answer your last question.....Yes....Lyman (editor) of the Old Card-
board magazine has included a picture of a real (49-card) uncut sheet of the
1st Series cards of this Leaf BB set.

2nd....There are just 3 variations in this set....Hermansk(i), Peterson (Red Cap),
and Aberson (short-sleeve). There is also one spelling error (uncor.) Larry Jansen's
name on the front of his card is spelled "JENSEN".

To answer your 1st ?'s....there is no variations on the CopyRight dates....66 cards
have a 1948 date and 32 cards have a 1949 date and that is it. My understanding is
that the "Hermansk" error occured in the early press runs, was quickly caught and
corrected. It is certainly much tougher to find than the other two variations.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

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Posted By: Griffin's

Did you win that one Hal? I really wanted it but it went too high for me. I've got about a dozen color variations in my set (all common series) but that was the first white BG card I'd seen.
Add a pack of hot dogs and you've got the missing Wilson Weiner Musial.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

HAL

Great card of "Stan the Man". Quite a few of the Blue background Leaf's (both
BB and FB) have surfaced over the years without the Blue ink on them. I had a
really neat Jackie Jensen (Leaf FB) rookie that looked just like your Musial card.

Nevertheless, they are very valuable as there is quite an avid interest in these
printing errors from the Leaf sets.

Thanks for sharing this card with us.

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I was hoping that you guys would be in awe of Stan's "red hat" and tell me that it was a special variation!

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Posted By: Richard

I feel back for that little black dot he is about to whack.

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

HAL

I am in awe of your "red cap" Musial. I'm now searching for my "black cap" variation.

In all seriousness, though, check-out my 1949 Leaf article in the next issue of Old
Cardboard. It provides insight, and lots of full color depictions of the cards and the
variations in this set. Including a full uncut (49-card) sheet of the 1st Series.

A lot of credit goes to Lyman Hardeman for producing a high quality vintage magazine.

TED Z

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Posted By: Griffin's

Are all the color variations in the common series? Those are the only ones I"ve encountered, and Dan McKee sent me scans of some of his and they were all common series as well

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Anthony

The Dillinger's in this array answers your question.

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Posted By: dennis

i'll bet that dillenger card scared a lot of kids back in '49!

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Some more color printing variations and a 2nd Series wrong back card.
This one is Sid Gordon with an inverted Bob Feller back. All 49 cards
in the 2nd (SP) Series exist with wrong backs.

I've yet to see a 1st Series wrong back....has anyone on this Forum seen one ?