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Old 05-19-2006, 11:23 PM
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Posted By: Josh K.

My collecting niche lately seems to be the "high grade low grade" cards - i.e. nice looking cards with low grades (nothing higher than a 30/2). Ive posted some of these before, but I thought it would be interesting to see some others.


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Those are beauts, Josh.
Are the backs out of whack, somehow?!


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Old 05-20-2006, 01:24 AM
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I've always liked this one for a "2"


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Old 05-20-2006, 07:28 AM
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This might be the best POOR conditioned card I have. I have seen 3's that barely look this good...this sort of grading is a joke to me...no creases or wrinkles, nice eye appeal, and chipping on the back mostly contained in the blank areas....with a tiny bit of paper loss on a letter or so....just got this from a board member last week...

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This is a fine looking PSA2! Buy the card, not the grade!



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My personal collection - http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/

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Old 05-20-2006, 07:54 AM
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From what I've seen, GAI is a LOT fairer with paper loss that SGC.

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Old 05-20-2006, 08:07 AM
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Posted By: Josh K.

Barry, each card has a small amount of paperloss on the reverse. The Donovan has the most layers of paper missing and the largest affected area, hence the lower grade.

I agree that GAI tends to treat paperloss less harshly - however, in my opinion, they are too easy on paperloss. SGC, on the other hand, is too harsh (though very consistent in their treatment of paperloss). I think a nice card like those pictured above should be eligible for 40s absent other problems like creases. Leon's card is undergraded even by SGC standards. It should be at least a 30, which, until just the other day, I believed to be the highest grade you could get from SGC on a card with paperloss (regardless of how little). However, yesterday I was surprised to see an e92 bresnahan for sale with a small spot of paperloss on the reverse and it was graded a 40.

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Old 05-20-2006, 09:03 AM
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A couple of dark spots (no paper loss) on the rear from hinges used for album mounting:

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light back looks like it may have been pulled gently from an album.

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Old 05-20-2006, 12:13 PM
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Posted By: barry arnold

Thanks, Josh.
I'm absolutely amazed at how these cards are so undergraded.
Admittedly, it's hard to evaluate without having the cards in hand,
but your card Leon sure looks like a 4 or better to me.
It is so weird to me how one can get a card back with polar bear tobacco
specks all over it and a crease and get a 2 or 30---while some of these
beauts on this thread get a 1 or 10.
Makes me wonder if we should start an N54 grading company or
do like Yawitz and others and 'boycott' the companies completely.
With JimB, I think it's time for a meditation practice for a bit.
I'm getting too worked up.

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Old 05-20-2006, 12:16 PM
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you struck the nail on the head: AN N54 GRADING CO. i'VE ALWAYS FELT THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, SINCE WE OWN ALMOST EVERY TYPE OF CARD MADE, ARE MORE QUALIFIED TO GRADE CARDS.

LETS START A BIZNESS!

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The way you guys argue? Never happen.

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don't forget guys - the backs are not shown (except for Leon's card). most of these probably have back damage that causes the grade. So the grades could be absolutely correct, but still have a great looking card...until you turn to the back. Leon's card on the other hand - wow, that looks great.

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cmoking - you are correct, most of the posted cards (at least mine) do have some degree of paperloss on the back. However, I think the point barry is making is that its not right that a small amount of paperloss can get you a 10 while a creased and stained card that looks terrible but has no paperloss can still grab a 30 or 40. At least to me, that isnt right. I will post scans of the back of the cobb tonight - it has two small spots of paperloss - more than Leon's for sure, but nothing that should drop the grade all the way from a 70 or 80 to a 30.

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Thanks Josh. I get it now.

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great card Hal - but your cheating - nothing higher than a 30/2 allowed

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I think Hal's is ok as it really should have been a 10 like mine. I think a see a spec of chipping on the back of his e107, under magnification.....Actually that's an awesome card for the grade...

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Leon, I agree, compared with your card, Hal's is clearly overgraded and should be resubmitted to SGC for an appropriate downgrade.

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I find it funny that some of these cards are getting the same grade as my T206 Egan.

It also spotlights a deficiency in the grading systems.

Just in case you need a good basis of comparison... here is a real SGC 10 -

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There's not enough room on this thread for all the atrociously low graded 1909 Obaks I have had graded by SGC and PSA. I don't have the time and or money to crack them open and send them (cross-over) to each other but one PSA 1 graded out as an SGC 40 and I had an SGC 20 graded out as a PSA 4. Both cards were cracked out first. There is no rhyme or reason to the way they grade Obaks, especially 1909s....

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Posted By: barry arnold

You said it loud and clear and very,very well Josh.
These grading company downgrades for loss of even very minor paper on the back just makes no sense to me,particularly when the front is 5 or better
and the card ends up a 2 or 1.
Sort of like me giving a thesis or dissertation a grade of POOR or FAIR( on a very difficult subject
like the ethics of embryonic genetic testing for BRCA 1 and BRCA 2) because the person goofed up 3 semi-colons.
I have to admit that if the student found some polar back tobacco and sprayed
it on their work, it would probably help the grade, given my 206 love.

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Invisible glue on the back accounts for the grade. I love these cards!

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Forgot this one. Small paper loss on back accounts for grade.

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The following card has very difficult to see texture difference on the back of the card. There is a toning difference but it's not grossly pronounced. This could indicate album removal but the texture difference is very minimal.

I've seen an SGC graded card OJ with very obvious signs of album removal with gross toning differences that received a grade of SGC50. I've seen a PSA graded card with NQ and evidence of album removal with a PSA5 or PSA6 grade.





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Hal, without paperloss and a crease (perhaps I don't see it), how is that card not a 6?

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There's incredibly faint glue residue on the back of this PSA 2, which may very be liberated tonight as part of my slooooooow return to raw:



These two would probably be graded even more harshly, but I'll take cards like this all the time:



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Card now resides in an SGC 30 holder......

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Here is another one of mine.

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I've been watching a bunch of auctions lately,and I can't believe the grades these cards have as opposed to the grades of the cards up for auction.It seemes there might be a biased "look" going on here.Do "big time collectors" have that much clout,when it comes to the grading?

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I should have posted pics of the backs of my cards earlier to show the "damage".

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Or "lack thereof", Dean!

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My god...what a great looking card!

It may had been said before but, "buy the card, not the grade"

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