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Old 12-02-2005, 06:14 AM
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Posted By: Jay Miller

The Superior auction which ended last evening featured over 200 individually lotted Old Judge including a very nice Bid McPhee which went for a bargain price (or at least a bargain price relative to where the last half dozen or so copies have traded). Paul--Did you finally get your man?

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Old 12-02-2005, 06:17 AM
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Posted By: Marc S.

Jay: A lot of the Old Judges had hidden reserves that were not disclosed, with many of them not selling, despite some healthy prices.


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Old 12-02-2005, 06:18 AM
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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Oh please... Paul... tell us you got him!

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Old 12-02-2005, 06:20 AM
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Posted By: Wesley

Many cards did not meet their hidden reserves but it looks like McPhee sold. Someone got a really good deal on that card.

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Old 12-02-2005, 06:24 AM
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Posted By: Jay Miller

Dave Levin had told me that most/all of the old Judge in the auction were ones he sold directly to Superior at the National.

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Old 12-02-2005, 07:43 AM
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Posted By: andy becker

i think the item will show $0 for the final sale if the reserve was not met.

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Old 12-02-2005, 07:54 AM
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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Paul must have been out late celebrating his victory!!

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Old 12-02-2005, 08:30 AM
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Posted By: ockday

I was busy and actually forgot to check the auction...by the time I realized it was over.
I did win 1 OJ but 2 others look like they didn't meet the reserve.
Congrats to whoever won the McPhee.

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Old 12-02-2005, 08:36 AM
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Posted By: JudgeDred (Fred)

Yes, the McPhee sold for $5,635 (juice included).

The Cushman sold for $1,610 (juice included).

I suppose the lower realized price meant:

- Most people that want a McPhee have one
- The Superior auction wasn't well known so those that wanted a McPhee didn't know about McPhee that was available
- People didn't bother bidding in Superior because they don't like bidding against the house (an unknown reserve)

Does anyone want to comment on any "relative" bargains from the Superior auction? There were a lot of red asterisks at the end of the auction....

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Old 12-02-2005, 08:50 AM
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Posted By: Rich Jacobs

I got the Cushman (Toledo), and I'm very pleased. Lew Lipset told me about a year ago that he considered Cushman one of the rarest non-HOFers and believes there are less than five known. My catch for the month.

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Old 12-02-2005, 08:51 AM
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Posted By: JudgeDred (Fred)

Nice score!

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Old 12-02-2005, 08:56 AM
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Posted By: Jay Miller

Rich--Cushman-Toledo is a scarce card but not a rare one. I would estimate that 10-15 are known(several have popped up over the last few years). Cushman also has a spotted tie pose. Thus, the Cushman-Toledo card is a scarce pose or team variation but one of two poses of the player.

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Old 12-02-2005, 09:06 AM
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Posted By: Rich Jacobs

Jay: Thanks for the additional info. Even though not perhaps "rare," Mr. Cushman will join some of his other little colleagues in my collection with my pleasure! He's still less available than Hal's ratty T206 Wagner . . . .

It's always interesting how someone estimates the population of cards, and then others start to come out of the woodwork. Makes me think that our estimates may almost always be low.

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Old 12-02-2005, 09:31 AM
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Posted By: zach

I know who won the McPhee, and it wasn't Paul. This person i'd imagine will post here soon. He was very happy with his win.

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Old 12-02-2005, 09:38 AM
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Posted By: Paul

I am going to cry. I wasn't even aware of the auction. Yes, I would have bought it for that price.

This really ticks me off. I've been on their mailing list for years. I guess they cut me from their list.

Sorry, I should have thanked all of you for your well wishes. I do appreciate it. I'm just ticked. I really wanted a McPhee before all of the new Negro Leaguers are elected.

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Old 12-02-2005, 09:42 AM
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Posted By: Wesley

That Bid McPhee card was pretty well hidden. Out of 227 different lots of OJs, only two Cap Anson cards had short descriptions.

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Posted By: Mark

I heard it was someone very good looking.


Edited to add: Sorry again, Paul - I will personally keep a watch out for the next McPhee and alert you.

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Old 12-02-2005, 10:09 AM
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Posted By: Mark

Another example of the great deals in Superior was the PSA 6 Amos Rusie which sold for only $200 more than the very faded SGC 2 Rusie (same pose) sold for three weeks ago in Goodwins. It would have actually sold for less than the 2 if I hadn't bid it up.

http://www.superiorsports.com/auctions/previous_lot_detail.chtml?catid=399&cats=0&AuctID=12920&passkey=&orderby=Lotnumber+Asc&showdesc=no&extralink=no&perpage=50&psearch=&searchbidderid=&searchtext=&LotNo=82

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Posted By: Jay Miller

No offense, but that card is no 6, regardless of what the label states. It is dirty or stained and has chipping in the right border.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

3-4 on looks alone........unless it's a bad scan.....

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Posted By: Trevor Hocking

The Old Judges went low in some cases but not many considering the VERY generious grades. I agree with Jay on the Cushman Toledo. I was the one who got the Cushman from Lews auction four years ago (which into a SGC 50 holder) when the card was a lot rarer than it is now and I paid 1800 for it then. After that auction five more copies that I know of have been found. Still a very tough card but not rare and a fair price as well. Sorry about the McPhee Paul I know you have been trying for sometime now but hey thats what makes this hobby great, the hunt for YOUR prefect card.

Trevor Hocking

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Old 12-02-2005, 12:02 PM
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Posted By: Paul

I don't need perfect. I'll take skinned or trimmed. (I know that's not what you meant by perfect).

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Old 12-02-2005, 12:16 PM
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Posted By: JudgeDred (Fred)

Anyone for a pool as to when Paul will get his McPhee? I'm sorry to hear you missed this one, Paul. I guess you'll have a great appreciation for this card when you get it.

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Old 12-02-2005, 12:21 PM
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Posted By: Trevor Hocking

Ok I have done the numbers for the auction and they did ok


225 Old Judge
123 Cards sold
102 Cards did not sell

140k total cost

$1,138 a card


Now I know that a lot of the cards that did not sell where the cheaper or less desirable cards and all of the HOFers is what helped drive the price pre card ratio up. But like I said they did ok not great but not low by any means. There where a couple of deals in there but not many.

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Old 12-02-2005, 12:28 PM
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Posted By: JudgeDred (Fred)

Trevor, which cards would you consider the deals?

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Posted By: Trevor Hocking

Now if I told you that I have to kill ya

But one for sure was the McPhee. Sorry for the salt Paul.

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Posted By: tbob

The 15 OJs I bid on all seemed to sell, although on the last day I got knocked out of the lead on all of them, including the Kid Madden portrait which was yes, no, yes, no all night long. Congrats to whomever beat me out.
The question I have is it appears that all of these sold, am I missing something here? How do you know if it didn't meet a hidden reserve? Would it show a $0 on the website???

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Old 12-02-2005, 01:36 PM
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Posted By: JudgeDred (Fred)

Bob,

That's right, the little red asterisk - indicates that the lot didn't meet reserve.

I was watching that Madden also. The last I saw it was over $300 (and worth every dollar). The Madden didn't meet the reserve.

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