Jorge Marce

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Posted By: Jorge Marce

Hello board members, my name is Jorge Marce. Some of you know me as Rooky13. The reason that I am posting is to respond to recent post by Mr Christoff entitled Rooky13 and especially strong comments from the thread entitled Mike Plemmons. In the past I have seen some posts that have really gotten out of hand. Somebody has an opinion, somebody disagrees, somebody throws an insult, sides are taken, all hell breaks loose. And poor Leon. When I read some of these posts and some of the childish and hurtful remarks that follow, I always ask myself why? If I read a post that doesn't interest me, or if I find something insulting about it I go to the next one. This is a great chatroom, we have options. In this case, unfortunately for me, I have no choice, but to respond.
First about myself. I was hired by Mr S Delgado about two years ago for the purpose of assembling a major card collection. Putting together a collection of this magnitude takes up a lot of time, however my regular job is as a full time conductor for Florida East Coast railroad. I first spoke to Mr Christoff about a year ago. I told him I was interested in buying Negro League baseball cards for a client. Within a few weeks he had emailed me pictures and the corresponding prices of the cards that were available. I emailed Mr Christoff back asking for him to call me, I needed an explanation on why the prices that he was asking for these cards were so much higher than the ones in the Standard Catalog (price guide). After all Mr Christoff is one of the contributors to the price guide, I felt it would be hard to explain to Mr Delgado why he should pay x amount for a card, that Ryan suggests in the guide, to be worth much less. The next day I met with Mr Delgado but I had not heard back from Mr Christoff, I tried calling him several times but his wife said he was taking a nap. I never heard back from Ryan. A few months passed and I suggested to Mr Delgado to call Ryan, I felt maybe the two of them might have better chemistry and communicate better. Mr Delgado did and they seemed to hit it off. Since Mr Delgado doesn't use a computer I was used as the go between but only for the purposes of getting pictures to Mr Delgado. Ryan would email me what he had available and I would print it out and fax it or get it directly to Mr Delgado. Since Mr Delgado was now talking directly with Ryan on the phone, I was no longer used for the purpose of negotiation. Mr Delgado called me on the phone one day and said that Ryan was flying in to Miami, and set a date for the three of us to meet. Not until we sat at the restaurant did I have any idea of the deal that the two had made.

From that point on it has been a series of calls or emails from Ryan to me. Telling me that he owes money to a major auction house or that he can't reach Mr Delgado or that Mr Delgado promised him this or that. The only reason I am writing this post is to clear my name. Ryans' post was titled Rooky13 not S Delgado. Ryan, yes I work for Mr Delgado and I understand that his actions have a certain reflection on me. And my actions have a certain reflection on the man I represent. If your post said Rooky13 works for Mr Delgado a man who owes me money, and blah, I would have no problem with that. I would fax what you wrote about him to him and he could respond to it himself. I cannot tell you what is going thru Mr Delgados mind so I cannot speak for him. Since I dont know exactly what was said between you and him I wont defend him or condem him. I can understand somebody being angry if money is owed to him but that does not give that person the right to slander some innocent persons' name just because of association. Every time Ryan has called me, asking me to tell Mr Delgado something I've told him to put it in writing and I'll fax it to him. I have returned all of your calls or emails and have relayed all of your messages. Ryan please state more clearly what it is that I'm guilty of so that I can defend myself. I'm trying to compose myself and use my words carefully so as not to insult anybody, but instead to clarify to the board my point of view. I suggest you respond to this post quickly and choose your words carefully. I've had the great opportunity to have met a few of you at the national. I've purchased and overpaid for cards from others on this board. If someone else on this board has been mistreated by me please write in and clearly state your complaints. Gentlemen and Julie, I've gone thru a hurricaine today had to work to the wee hours of the morning at the railroad, but looking on the Network 54 website and finding my name being trashed, is the worst feeling of all.

Good Nite,

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I have had very pleasant dealings with Rooky13 (Jorge) for a long time without any problems...

and I have had very pleasant dealings with RYAN C. for a long time without any problems...

so I truly believe that the sole problem here is a shady real estate mogul who deserves whatever he has coming to him.

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Posted By: James Feagin

"Lifestyles of the rich and famous".

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Posted By: david

wait, the standard catalog has under priced extremely rare cards? perhaps if that is sticking point to completing a deal with your employer and he needs to have the pricing structure of rare pre war cards explained to him he should find another hobby to spend his money on.

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Posted By: Kevin Cummings

Jorge:

I just reread all of Ryan's posts and I did not get the sense that he was ascribing blame to you. He simply said that you had made the original contact and that the majority of the communication in question was between him and Sergio directly.

I echo David's point, though - how did Sergio amass such a formidable collection of cards without knowing their current price? It seems to me that his SCD price guide question on Ryan's cards was not a sign of ignorance so much as a bargaining ploy.

Kevin

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Posted By: Chad

I could get the Cabanas Pete Hill for the SCD price!

--Chad

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Posted By: Andy Baran

Jorge,

As you know, Ryan is a very close friend of mine. He is also extremely ethical, as most of you know. I can assure you and everyone else on the board that he is being truthful regarding this situation.

I also enjoyed meeting you at the National, and conversing with you. That being said, Ryan has every right to title his thread Rooky13. Even if you are the person who owns that ebay handle, you are making purchases with Sergio's money (or lack thereof), not your own. You mentioned yourself that he is computer illiterate, therefore can not bid on auctions himself. No one would know what Ryan is talking about if the title of the thread was Sergio. Everyone deserves to know that when they see a bid on ebay by Rooky13, the person who is paying for the auctions is not always good for the money, and is willing to screw people over. Is this a reflection on you? I have to say yes. You have chosen to associate yourself with this person, and continue to bid on auctions on his behalf when you know your client owes people lots of money. I'm not trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't do. I know people have their own reasons for the decisions that they make. However, as long as you continue take a paycheck from Sergio, you are associated with him. Ultimately, it is your choice.

Just my opinion.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

or popular player. Any takers? Someone needs to explain to your principal that the guide is a GUIDE, dude, not a holy scripture.

BTW, if you claim to represent someone and claim to be authorized to act on his behalf, you are his agent and you should expect that if he is a bad boy, your principal's sins will mar your record, too.

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Posted By: Anson

Previous versions of the Standard Catalog have been about as accurate as a scud missile. That's a bit of a cop out.

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Posted By: Jorge Marce

The thread that I have the most problem with is entitled Mike Plemmons, in which Ryan states that he has been ripped off by a board member. Thats what I need cleared up. As far as the SCD goes, I don't care how much someone is asking for their cards, its their cards, and can ask what ever they want for them. That is not the point I was trying to make. I'm just trying to show you how he went directly from dealing with me, to dealing with Mr Delgado. Let me also clarify that I am given money which I put into an account and use it solely for buying cards off Ebay for Mr Delgado. Large purchases from major auctions are covered by Mr Delgado directly. This is one of those large purchases that I was not responsible in paying. The only reason that I became more involved, was because Ryan was having trouble talking to Mr Delagado directly and needed me to relay messages for him. Thats all.

Hal I love your humorous and insiteful threads, and envy your collection.

Andy, I really enjoyed meeting you at the National and listening to those great stories of yours. I have never said that Ryan was unethical, I just don't understand why he is attacking someone who went out of his way to help him.

My Ebay name is Rooky13. I have been buying items on Ebay under that name before I started buying them for Mr Delgado and hopefully if its not too tarnished I can continue using it. I know the consequences that I take in associating my Ebay name with a client but I must say that in the past two years Mr Delgado has treated me very well, and has kept all his promises. I'll gladly take that risk. I hope that both parties iron out their differences for my sake and Leons'.

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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth

I don't see how Mr. Marce is culpable in any way in this affair, and if I were in his position as someone who merely facilitated the principals getting together in the transaction at question, I would be unhappy at the title of the thread too. That said, the underlying failure to pay Ryan in a timely fashion seems inexcusable. He should be entitled to interest if and when final payment is made.

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Jorge,

I was referring to the Jorge Marce/Sergio Delgado/Rooky13 team as 1 unit. I wasn't singling you out individually. I can understand why you're not really wanting to be considered a part of team Rooky13, but I believe you're a part of it. Is this whole thing your fault? No. Absolutely not. Do you, Jorge Marce, owe me money? No. If you want the title of the other thread to read "Sergio Delgado" then ask Leon to change it. I don't care either way. I would never have titled it "Jorge Marce" because you are not the main person involved in this. But you ARE involved.

As far as me being ripped off. As of right now, I stand by that statement. The minute I'm completely paid off I'll write a post saying I am no longer being ripped off.

Until then I guess you can consider it a $40,000 interest-free loan I've given to Sergio, with the remaining unpaid balance a gift for allowing me to lend him so much money for so long. You're entitled to consider it that way if you want. But I consider it stealing.

By the way, who was it that actually wrote up the contract that Sergio signed saying he'd pay the balance within 30 days?

-Ryan

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Posted By: barrysloate

I have had dealings with Jorge on ebay and he has paid immediately and has been entirely professional. But he has clearly gotten in the middle of this and that is unfortunately what will happen when you publicly represent a client who doesn't pay his bill. That is just a fact.
Jorge, perhaps you could get Mr. Delgado to explain his side of the story. He can dictate, you can type. We've heard your side and Ryan's side and both seem plausible; but we are still missing one more side.

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

Echoing Barry's last remarks, why not have Mr. Delgado read this thread and offer up a response? It shouldn't be hard for him to read this thread off a laptop that has it bookmarked--heck, you could even print the whole thread if that makes it easier.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Even better yet, if Jorge knows that this money is owed, why not settle the debt with the money he keeps getting? I assume he doesn't do it beucase the first payment he makes would most likely be the last check he gets.

truly a sad situation that never should have happened to begin with.

Jay

My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: Jorge Marce

Ryan, in the Mike Plemmons thread you say Mr Delgado owes you $30,000. Is this correct? Does this include the 17k + check you have received on about the the 5th or 6th of Sept. over two weeks ago? In an email I sent you on the 7th of Sept. and I quote: "Ryan, I received your phone message on Tues night. If I understand correctly he mailed you one check for the final payment of about $17K. The problem being he made it out to your name instead of your wifes name, and one check instead of two (each being for no more than $10000). I am assuming that he paid auction house what you owe them? Has this been confirmed? Ryan if what I stated is correct then all I can really do is fax him any new info you want to relay to him. He has then paid you what he owed you , just not in the manner that you had asked for. I would say phone him which you probably already have. If you want to email him a message I can fax it him." I'll stop here. Ryan see if this is correct. I can always email Leon the actual email. Now please let the board know your response by email to me the next day. Because up to this point you didn't have a beef with me but after this email you told me to get a lawyer. Please explain. And again let me know what is being owed to you.

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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

Jorge,

The association you have with your client is why you're involved with this. It's too bad that the debt sheet just can't be balanced so this whole incident can be ended.

I seriously doubt that your ebay name will suffer because ROOKY13 is a known buyer of high priced goods. Whether it's for your collection or someone elses I would have to believe that there isn't a seller on ebay that would cancel a ROOKY13 bid because of this incident. Do you think that there are many people out there that would be willing to cancel a potential bid that might net them hundreds or thousands of more dollars for their cardboard?

In the ebay world you pay before you get your goods so there's no issue there. That and your feedback is void of anything negative.

From a selling point of view people might have reservations sending money for an item that wouldn't be received, but that hasn't been an issue so it's probably a non-issue other than that your association in this incident might be enough to have a few bidders shy away from any potential sales you might have in the future. I don't think that anyone is going to let a nice card sell at less than the actual market value, so that ROOKY13 name is safe in that respect.

Put yourself in the shoes of the person that was not paid for goods delivered. You too would be frustrated in that situation. Your point is that you had nothing to do with this, well you did bring the parties together and you were a go between in email traffic. I'm sure that you did this as a favor but you were probably also providing services to your client while this has been going on. Does that make you guilty, I don't know but that association thing is very present and very virtually visible.

Good luck to all parties in resolving this matter.

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Posted By: Jorge Marce

Leon I'm sending a copy of these threads to Mr Delgado. If he wishes to respond can I put him on my log in name? Basically, I would be typing what he has written me.

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Posted By: leon

Someone emailed me about the issue of quoting someone's private email on the board. In the Rooky13 case, given what has gone on, I don't see an issue with what has been done. It is a strict board rule that, under most circumstances, private emails can't be posted. IN this case there are pertinent facts that come to light among allegations of impropriety. I think they can be admitted in this case. I still don't want to see a cut and pasted full email...but some specifics, detailing alleged facts, are ok. Anyone can also come on and dispute them if the details aren't correct. In the 2 threads concerning this issue I expect everyone that is not well known to put their first and last name by their posts.....carry on.....regards