T207 Davis blue C

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Posted By: William Heitman

I noted in some of the postings something about a T207 Davis with a blue D on the cap. This is not just a myth, there is no sense to it since the only Davis in the set is Harry with Cleveland Amer. There are, though, two different Mullin, Detroit. One has a blue D on the cap and one has no blue D. Don't know if this is of any interest. Just chiming in.

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Posted By: dan mckee

Davis comes with a white C and a brown C, I think I have posted pictures and started a thread awhile ago on this. Dan.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Sorry, but one does exist. I've seen a 207 Davis, graded by PSA, with a designation "Blue 'C'" on cap. There's at least one out there.

Doug

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Posted By: Bruce Babcock

Is there a version of Irving Lewis with no emblem?

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Posted By: dan mckee

Well if it is graded by PSA then I am sure there is one out there. Are you sure it was even a T207 in that holder??

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Posted By: Bill Cornell

Dan -

Can you post the 2 scans again?

I think this is a case of what's in the eye of the beholder... there are printing variations where the ink is lighter or darker. It would be a real stretch to call it "blue", but maybe someone saw it that way. I know Bob L. had that entry removed from the Catalog this year.

There is a Lewis "no emblem". It's a lot tougher than the other version, since it was a printing mistake.

Bill

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Posted By: Anonymous

If you check out the PSA pop. report, you'll see that there is 1 (one) PSA graded T207 Harry Davis, "Blue 'C' on Cap" listed, in a grade of 6. Hope this helps. It's quite obviously a blue C.

Doug

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Posted By: ockday

"If you check out the PSA pop. report, you'll see that there is 1 (one) PSA graded T207 Harry Davis, "Blue 'C' on Cap" listed, in a grade of 6. Hope this helps. It's quite obviously a blue C."

better duck..here it comes

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Posted By: Bill Cornell

Alan's apparently too savvy to get hit by a flying brick aimed at PSA...

Doug - have you seen this "blue C" Davis? PSA's pop report shows it was graded that way, but if you can provide a scan, I'd appreciate it.

Bill

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Posted By: Anonymous

As I stated above, I have seen this card, and it's quite obviously a blue "C." As for the scan, I would need permission from the card's owner. I have seen it. It IS blue, and it does exist. I offered the PSA pop report to show that one has been graded.
Doug

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Posted By: William Heitman

My posting was regarding a T207 Blue D, not C. The blue D was mentioned in some postings. Yes there are T207 Lewises with and without the emblem. I was the first to report that. T207 is a very screwy set in that regard. The Lewises I have are with patch is a Cycle and without is a Broadleaf. These grading places are a whole different story. I doubt any of the graders have ever collected T207s, much less knows the difference between Duffy Lewis and Irving Lewis.

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Posted By: Bob

There is no such animal as a Davis with blue C on the cap. It is a myth. Much line the Heinie Wagner T206 on ebay recently which PSA graded and labeled "T206 Honus Wagner." Much like the T207 Easterly which which was graded and designated by PSA as "T206 Easterly." There was an E-90-1 on ebay recently which was graded and identified as a T206. Need I go on? The color and pose variation mistakes by PSA are numerous and often comical such as identifying a particular card as a blue background when it has a red background or a portrait pose and the guy is in the stretch throwing the ball.
If you submit a Davis T207 to PSA and list on the submission form that it is "blue C on cap" the chances are very good you'll get it back thusly labeled.
There is no blue C variation. Both Tim Newcomb and I in preparing for separate articles on the T207 set determined it was the dodo bird of tobacco card collecting. There are different shades of "C's" on Davis' hat and collectors have commented on their ranging from a light tan to a brown but no frigging blue ones.

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

...like the myth of the brown Old Mill back.

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Posted By: dan mckee

Brown old mill exists, I sent Pete a scan for his website. "PSA pop report states it" Good thing I was sitting down when I read that! I only fell a small distance to the floor laughing my ash off!!!!

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Posted By: Bill Cornell

I'm offering a humble retraction here - I've now seen the blue "C" T207 Davis and I can confirm that it is absolutely & incontrovertibly blue. This is the only one I've ever seen. It may be a printing "mistake", but no more so than the t207's like Mullin no "D".

Bill

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Posted By: Joe P.

Bill, is there a scan that can bring finality to tbob's Myth of the alleged Myth???
Let's call it, "A Tale Of Two Myths".

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Posted By: Bill Cornell

Joe -

I'll have to defer to the owner about showing a scan of the card. I can only say that I'm a convert and that I hope all may be revealed further down the road. In the meantime, who has a Mogridge, Kuhn and Donlin to share with a poor t207 collector?

Bill

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Posted By: Joe P.

To the owner of the Blue thing.
He, or Julie, whatever the case might be.
Before you, you will find two critters on bended knees, me - tbob and possibly others, groveling nay begging for just a glimpse of the Blue thing.
Us gentle squatters here at T207 Acres, live and breath for a scan that would makes a Myth into a Fact.

A scan .... a scan.
Bill's Kingdom for a scan.
(who say's we're not generous?)

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

...and after many moons of waiting, a scan DID eventually appear.

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Posted By: Douglas

Here you go.



Please, let me know if there's anything else I can do.

Doug

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Posted By: dan mckee

How cool! can someone post a blue cap on another T207 so we can compare the coloring?

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Posted By: Bill Cornell

I agree - interesting to see the card that we thought didn't exist actually does exist. I don't believe there's another t207 with that same white insignia on a dark blue cap. There are a few other players with blue caps, but the color is lighter.

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Posted By: Bob Marquette

Thanks for posting the scan. As we have said many times before, printing freaks are not true variations. I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder though. I have seen numerous T206s which are lacking the red color but except for Sweeney, are not recognized as true variations. I have also seen orange back T206s instead of red, ditto. If no other blue C turns up, I would categorize it as a printing freak. Its value would be based on what the market would bear, there is always a market for printing freaks. I am trying not to sound like I have a sour grapes attitude (who me?) but this is not a true variation although I now concede that a blue C does exist.

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Posted By: dan mckee

I vote true variation as I do not think the blue C was created by any color missing. Same as the blue hat on fisher. dan.

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Posted By: Tbob

Dan there are hundreds of blue hat Fishers still existant in the hobby. ONE Blue Davis????
Printing freak...

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Posted By: dan mckee