T207 Gowdy "No Emblem On Sleeve" variations

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Posted By: Scott Bob 

WOW! New variations discovery are endless. This Gowdy might not worth or scarce as T207 Lewis variations but it is still a new discovery. Does anyone has this Gowdy variations in your T207 collection? I doubt this Gowdy on ebay is the only one known.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=57993&item=5106756906

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Posted By: david

this seems to be more of a printing freak then a true variation. the card appears to be missing one or two colors not the emblem

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Posted By: jay behrens

Not sure what the seller is looking at, but I see an amblem on both Gowdy cards. If look at the Lewis card, the emblem is clearly missing. Just looks like the Gowdy is missing some inking on emblem and a lot wishful thinking on the part of the seller.

Jay

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Posted By: Scott Elkins

Missing ink, or the red could just be faded away. Afterall, it is only SGC 1.5 Fair, so it does have some wear!

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

Seller hype is great, isn't it? I guess most of us indulge every so often. This one seems a big stretch. The emblem is there, it's just not clearly printed. I'm skeptical. Anybody know the seller?

Tim

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Posted By: Tbob

Reminiscent of the Stovall T207 in which the color blue was no misaligned that the StL on his unie floated right out of the picture. This is depicted in Lipset's book and is correctly termed a freak printing not a variation.
Speaking of T207 freaks, when will Bob remove the Carrigan/Wagner wrongback as a separate card listing in SCD? There are several other pairs of wrong backs floating around and this should not be listed and given special notice.

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Posted By: Scott Bob

I think the emblem is still there but the red ink is missing. However, it is funny that the red in "BOSTON" still fully there.

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Posted By: petecld

My first impression is that this was indeed a true variation but now I'm thinking somthing is fishy.

Look at the little pictures the seller supplied of the two emblems - of course they are VERY small - but forget the emblem and look at the surrounding area. In the picture of the "regular" card the creases in the unform are dark, clear and well defined. In the "no emblem" version those creases in the uniform, which should look the same, are light, very blurry and poorly defined. Possibly because that area of the card was cleaned or worked on?

Also, SGC graded the card, which they should have, but didn't make note of the variation in their label. Wouldn't a variation like this be worthy of noting on the label?

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Posted By: Scott Bob

I guess the look of "light, very blurry and poorly defined" might due to a low resolution scan and scanning with a thick SGC holder. In my opinion, it would be virtually impossible to doctor a T207 (due to its glossy surface) and without leaving any trace. Needless to say, if such Gowdy has been doctored, there's no way it can pass those tough SGC grader. Also, people due with SGC before know that they don't fool around their labelling system as PSA or GAI. They don't do special variation label unless such variation is being mentioned on the SCD bible price guide.

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Posted By: petecld

Scott Bob,

I'm in the graphic arts field and no, scanning low resolution doesn't remove details of an image in the manner that we are seeing certainly not to that extant. Also, I've scanned several hundred cards, low and high resolution, in SGC, GAI and PSA holders and being in the holder doesn't produce those types of results.

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Posted By: leon

SGC will put various identifying labels in their holders. I believe I have several. I know they look in the SCD (big book) but they also use common sense too and will deviate when it makes sense.... regards

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Posted By: dan mckee

And it is being shilled!

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Posted By: dan mckee

And the seller must read this board! The shilling ID just mysteriously retracted his bids. Maybe he needed money for all of that shiny junk he usually buys based on his feedback.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Mr. McKee, I see where you are bidding on this card. This card must be very special to you. I believe indeed it is.

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Posted By: Judge

I guess someone is trying to interference other bidders and win the card himself in lower price.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Looks like the seller ended the auction since it wasn't getting the action he expected. Looks like he will have to set up at a show and hope to find a sucker there.

Jay