Another Babe goes home without me

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Posted By: runscott 

Geez, this is an epidemic!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2772185644&category=31721&rd=1

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Posted By: Joel

Please educate us wanting to learn about this hobby....

is this card...cut? misgraded? a reprint? or cut from a magazine and being sold as real?

anybody?

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Posted By: Elliot

I think Scott was just making a comment that this was another auction where the seller received a bid and sold it directly, thereby ending the auction early, and not giving everybody a fair chance to buy, and probably selling it for less than it was worth.

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Posted By: Hankron

In these and other cases, I think a good approach is to contact the seller with consructive and friendl(polite) criticism. Some sellers may not be aware of the issues involved and will be receptive to the input.

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Posted By: Hankron

Back when I did a regular newsletter, I would periodically invite people to tell me what was wrong with the newsletter and what should be changed/added ... Even though very few would offer their opinions (scared to offed me?), constructive criticism was a service ... Similarly I think a reasonable seller would be glad to receive input that would make his auctions better and invite (or not put off) more bidders ...

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Posted By: runscott

Believe me, most of these sellers don't want to hear anything from us, regardless of how polite and constructive it is.

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Posted By: Hankron

Whether one is or is not being polite, one can explain to the seller, in no uncertain terms, that you don't bid in auctions of sellers who do this, and that you recommend the same course of action to your friends, who are also avid collectors in the era. The implications should be obvious to the seller ... So I wasn't suggesting that one not be frank to the seller

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

then by all means let the seller know how you feel. I have done the same from time to time - my experience is that they don't give a sh*t. Your experience might be different.

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Posted By: TBob

you can email the seller and rant and rave and foam at the mouth like someone on this board did and threaten to have the seller's account removed from ebay unless he relists it and reniges on his agreement to end an auction and sell. This happened to a seller who ended one early and sold me the card, then reniged because he was scared. The card went back on ebay, I got sniped and lost it, then 3 months later won the very same card from Barry Sloate's auction, albeit for twice the price I had agreed to originally pay. As old Diz used to say, "you can look it up!" T212-2 Willis SF variation 150 series Obak. 3rd toughest card in the entire 1910 Obak series.

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Posted By: Hankron

Scott, though I don't beleive it has happened to me, if someone did end an auction early that I had bid on and I really wanted the item, I would contact the seller and it's unlikely that I would be polite ... In other less-charged situtations, I have explained to eBayers why I wouldn't bid in their auctions, even though I much fancied their items. I also made it clear that it was more their loss than mine-- meaning, that my money is green.

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Posted By: TBob

I've never closed one of my auctions down early, never, but I did try to buy a card as soon as an auction opened by making an offer to the seller before any bids were made. (Details above). This was because the card was one I had looked for for over 5 years without any success. Luckily, all's well that end's well as I ended up with the card.

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Posted By: Hankron

If there are no bids on the item, I feel the seller has the right to end the auction-- though it's probably wise not to do it too often.

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Posted By: Hankron

I don't know what, if any, eBay rules apply to this situation and I'm not trying to formulate an ethical standard to apply to others ... It mostly comes down to that, if I have a bid in an auction and the seller stops the auction and sells it to someone else, it rubs me the wrong way. What was the point of me bidding and will future bids also be negated by this seller? It's kind of like someone who, in a pickup game, suddenly changes the rules to his advantage just so he can win. Irrelevant to ethics, it doesn't interest me to play this person again and I won't.

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Posted By: Julie

and decided to end the auction early," do you mean the sellers know what I bid on their stuff (I mean, you place a limit bid--sometimes--and hope it isn't met by others, and that you get it cheap. I would hate to have seller jump on my ceiling bid and hold me to it!)?

Once a seller ASKED for my maximum bid (his auctio had been removed from ebay for a very minor infraction, and he immediately started getting e-mails with bids).
It cost me quite a bit.