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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: James Walker, Jr.
Check it out ... |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
I wonder who eBay paid to have it written? Several of us RIGHT HERE ON THIS BOARD pointed eBay Safe Harbor to a clear example of shill bidding and fraud. They did nothing about it, they were more interested in protecting their shill bidding Power Seller than anything else. What a load of crap. They couldn't detect fraud if they were a victim of it themselves, but, the truth is, they make big bucks of off fraud on their system and ignore it when it's reported to them. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...but ULTIMATELY it's up to an INDIVIDUAL to safeguard himself. Bear me out. Take for example, a city like NY (the 5 Boroughs). How many personnel make up the workforce of individuals designed to safeguard us from ANY type of criminal activity? Just factor STREET level. Police, auxillary police, Civillain patrol, security personnel of any kind whatsoever, etc. I would have to very conservatively guess at LEAST 50,000 and the actual number is most probably MULTIPLES of that estimate! And THAT work and volunteer force's main function is to safeguard the lives and belongings of over 10 million people! |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: petecld
I'm sorry, I HAD to respond to your post. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
..that you find this post humorous. It casts your intellect in a dim light. What's my record Pete? What are those little things next to my name on the feedback page? NUMBERS!!!! What are they Pete? Positives and negatives. 605 Positives and ONE RETALIATORY NEGATIVE which is in the process of being removed by Safe Harbor as we "speak". But of course you feel that Scott and his ilk (yourself included, don't be shy!) should have a free reign to stalk up and down my bidders and winners lists form ALL past auctions in order to harrass and spam them. Sorry Pete, it's an Ebay option. With 605 positives against 1 retaliatory negative, I MUST be up to no good. RIGHT? BRILLIANT deductive reasoning, Sherlock! |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
..wherever you are. PETE!!! PEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...oh' there you are. Were you sleeping? It's taking you THIS long to prepare a crude attempt at sarcastic wit? OK!..Go ahead, you work on it, I'll leave you alone. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Julie Vognar
I won, against healthy bidding, a '34 Goudey Frisch. The guy just put some sort of mild filter in front of it so it wouldn't knock our eyes out. It's a carefully doctored reoprint. What's ebay supposed to do about that? |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: scott
As someone who collects (again) baseball cards because it (usually) is an enjoyable way to spend time, I would offer that this is the type of thing that keeps people AWAY from the hobby. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...Ebay CAN'T be expected to do anything about it, anymore than the police can find those expensive airbags that came off your car once they're GONE and after applying your deductable STILL cost you $500 to replace! It happens. Do you have a copy of the auction? There MAY have been telltale signs that the auction was not what it seemed that you failed to recognize. THAT'S not completely your fault either. NOBODY can be vigilant 100% of the time. Average life expectancey would be 30 if our nervous systems were in heightened, adrenalized, red-alert mode at all times. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...Ebay CAN'T be expected to do anything about it, anymore than the police can find those expensive airbags that came off your car once they're GONE and after applying your deductable STILL cost you $500 to replace! It happens. Do you have a copy of the auction? There MAY have been telltale signs that the auction was not what it seemed that you failed to recognize. THAT'S not completely your fault either. NOBODY can be vigilant 100% of the time. Average life expectancey would be 30 if our nervous systems were in heightened, adrenalized, red-alert mode at all times. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: petecld
You hold such an insignificant sliver of interest in my life it truly is a tough decision deciding if you're worth the time it takes me to type a response. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: TBob
<<<but almost the entire Board who have taken their time to address me with the exception of Leon and Harry, who are gentlemen enough to reserve sitting in judgement until the auction had run its course? Dr. Koos>> |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: jay berhens
let's continue with your eBay-law enforcement analogy...If I walk into my local law enforcement office and hand them detailed evidence that would stand up in any court of a crime, they do not tell me sorry, that's not enough, they will actually take the time to investigate and hand it off to the DA for prosecution. eBay on the other hand does nothing, even when handed overwhelming evidence. Hell, they didn't even have to use their software (if it really exists) or their manpower to uncover the fraud. Yet they still decided that there was no crime being committed. How do you think a DA would last if they responded like that? |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...no disrespect intended to those who DIDN'T post against me, like yourself, ANOTHER true gentleman who sits in judgement ONLY when presented with ALL the facts. What I said was something to the effect of, " those who CHOSE to POST against me without waiting for all the facts to be presented". MANY Board members DIDN'T post against me because they KNEW better (for example, YOU, Leon, BCD, MW, BW, Mike Williams, Elliot, Harry, etc.). If I were picking a jury, THESE are the type of people I would want in the jury box to evaluate my client's guilt or innocence. NOT irate individuals who only have to be presented with the evidence and the accused and are ready to progress to the penalty phase. In other words, those that reserved judgement had a shred of FAITH, I am very appreciative of and I was in NO way referring to ALL the Board members as a whole. They KNEW that there is a mitigating factor behind my posting of the card. A purpose, OTHER than deliberately defrauding someone on it, which CANNOT BE REVEALED at this point. THAT'S why I kept saying, "No comment until the friggin' (@T-Bob) time limit is up". |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...a law enforcement agencey. They DON'T have a real police force with an Ebay DA's office across the street to submit evidence to Grand Jurys. The point of my post was merely that an Ebayer will substantially increase his odds of a favorable outcome if he avails himself of the tools that Ebay makes available to determine the odds of any apparent risk. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Tim
I agree with TBOB 100% about being the new guy getting into card collecting and feeling like a kid in a candy store when they first log into eBay. I was the new guy a year ago. I had been out of card collecting for some 15 odd years with the reason ranging from being a poor college student to I was TOO dam* sick of all of the new card commpanies and numerous new sets flooding the market with millions of dupes of every player. They were all out just to make a buck. If there ever was a time to put cards in the spokes of tires it would be from the 80s to the present time. Back then I was also sick and tired of athletes getting into trouble with drugs and various other stuff so NOW I stick mainly to vintage cards and put FEAR into other bidders in E card auctions! I have had to go through the ropes of learing what the hell card grading was and not to mention which ones may or may not be reputable. I have had my share of experiences with NASA and PRO and now don't even give those cards and cut-outs a second glance if even a first! I can honestly say that since I have gotten back into card collecting that I have thought about giving up again with all of the crooked sh*t that one has to deal with on eBay and in the card collecting world. This board has been a very big help and I hope things stay that way. I feel that I have made some good friends even though I am yet to meet any of you in person. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: jay behrens
thanks for the responses. I jsut further proves what an idiot you truly are. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: benge610
I'm right there with you, Bob. I don't post frequently and quite often use this board for resource and "good reading" (used very loosely ... lately). I believe the honorable thing to do is to make every attempt possible at warning an unsuspecting bidder of a scam; and notify the auction service also. But speaking from personal experience, that is good enough. I didn't start in vintage collecting by blindly bidding on eBay crap hoping to strike it rich. I researched the hobby; located Mike and Jim's Fullcount board; talked to dealers at shows; focused on specific areas of interest and researched some more! I don't feel too sorry for unsuspecting schmucks, because in some ways they get what they deserve. I think the members here do an excellent job of warning those "unsuspectings" and that's good enough by me; it's too bad that newbies get a bad taste of the hobby by getting tangled up with scammers, but how gullible are they? and what are their real intentions when getting into the vintage market, anyway? Looking to strike it rich on a great deal or looking to really "get into" the vintage part of the hobby? Just my opinion, but really "getting into" the hobby for enjoyment and collecting REQUIRES an accumulation of knowledge before diving in. I've been mildly "burned", but honestly, if I had done a little more homework before bidding ..... |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: MW (or, Ben's conscience)
Blathering? |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: vorthian
<< I stick mainly to vintage cards and put FEAR into other bidders in E card auctions! >> |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...And as the sun slowly rises in the EAST, once again, Jay wrestles furiously with his last remaining brain cells (more dilithium crystals, Cap'n) to piece together a post somewhat resembling grammatical use of the English language, that is designed to prove jSut what an idiot I am. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: benge610
Thanks Michael; lack of sleep tends to heighten my blathering skills. It's good to hear from you. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Brueso
If this is a temporary auction, you are still tying up some bidder's resources that they could spend on legitimate auctions. But of course "whatever is best for you" (that is your motto, isn't it?) |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: ME
Universtity of Night School, Open 24 Hrs? |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: MW
On occasion, I've blathered too |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
....PLEASE... Let your mind go blank. I suspect that you may have blown a bearing and will incur irrepairable harm if you attempt to think once again. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Brueso
"irrepairable"? Well, there's another stone for your glass house, Doc. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: jay berhens
anyone that has been around eBay for any length of time knows that feedback is almost meaningless. Most people are too afraid to leave negative feedback beucase they might get a retaliatory negative in return. So the fact that you have 'great' feedback means nothing. It prolly means that other people you ahve screwed over were just afraid to leave the proper feedback for you becuase they feared you would leave negative feedback in return event hough you shafted them. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...ANOTHER test to see if you knew how to use a dictionEry, or if your esteemed colleague was anslating-tray osts-pay into pig-latin for you! |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dr.Koos
...means NOTHING?". Keep in mind that others don't have your soothsayer's gift to ascertain the future of transacting with a seller that you haven't conducted business with previously, by donning gay-apparel (no pun intended!), a muskrat stuffed cinderblock hat and noting the thrown position of chicken bones. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: English...from me no less!!!!
the use of "irregardless" is the same. It may not be in the dictionary but because it communicates the idea,it is technically a word. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: MW
The Ancient Viking alphabet is far more mystical than chicken bones. I would suggest runes. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: MW
"Irrepairable" is not an idiom and is not a word. It is not in any standard dictionary. The word you are thinking of is "irreparable," which is indeed standard and quite different than "irregardless." "Irregardless" is nonstandard and is sometimes improperly substituted for regardless. |
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Auction Fraud Article
Posted By: Dan Mathewson
...so, stop comparing the two. People on here keep saying "eBay cannot be responsible for the fraud or for going after those committing fraud on eBay, anymore than we can blame the police for not catching Car Prowlers who steal airbags out of your cars, etc." |
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