Interesting BST Experience

[Gorditadogg]

I had an interesting experience yesterday on our BST site. Most of you I think know me by now. I've bought and sold hundreds of cards on this site, and just about every deal has gone smoothly.

Well, a member put a card up for sale yesterday. It was kind of an oddball card, one I wasn't familiar with. I googled it and it looked legit. Then I checked with PSA and there were just a few graded.

The asking price wasn't that much so I sent the seller a PM to say I'd take it. I got a PM back with his email and he asked me to pay PPF&F, which I did.

An hour later I got another PM saying he was so sorry but he decided to sell the card to someone else, and that he was refunding my money, which he did.

So I'm not out anything, but I'm kind of disappointed. It just goes to show that a deal isn't done until you get the card in hand.


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[rjackson44]

Who was it so i can block

[Smanzari]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I had an interesting experience yesterday on our BST site. Most of you I think know me by now. I've bought and sold hundreds of cards on this site, and just about every deal has gone smoothly.

Well, a member put a card up for sale yesterday. It was kind of an oddball card, one I wasn't familiar with. I googled it and it looked legit. Then I checked with PSA and there were just a few graded.

The asking price wasn't that much so I sent the seller a PM to say I'd take it. I got a PM back with his email and he asked me to pay PPF&F, which I did.

An hour later I got another PM saying he was so sorry but he decided to sell the card to someone else, and that he was refunding my money, which he did.

So I'm not out anything, but I'm kind of disappointed. It just goes to show that a deal isn't done until you get the card in hand.


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I've had some interesting occurrences recently, as well, but gave the sellers the benefit of the doubt - I'm going to PM you to see if its any of the same individual(s); If so I'm going to "remove the benefit(s)," block and tattle to Leon

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Smanzari

I've had some interesting occurrences recently, as well, but gave the sellers the benefit of the doubt - I'm going to PM you to see if its any of the same individual(s); If so I'm going to "remove the benefit(s)," block and tattle to Leon

I always appreciate PMs of those not following through. If I hear their name 2x, there is a good chance they will be gone, unless they satisfactorily 'splain their situations.
There are usually 3 sides to a story, but not always.

[Flintboy]

Going to give a vouch to Al. Bought a 69 raw Rose awhile back, never showed up. No doubt in my mind he sent it, but Florida is where mail goes to die. Refunded me and was great about it. Really appreciated how he handled it.

[Casey2296]

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Without knowing the details it’s generally bad form to renege after payment received without a good explanation.
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[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Flintboy

Going to give a vouch to Al. Bought a 69 raw Rose awhile back, never showed up. No doubt in my mind he sent it, but Florida is where mail goes to die. Refunded me and was great about it. Really appreciated how he handled it.

Thank you, Brian. That was a really nice Rose, too. It's a shame it didn't make it to you.

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[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

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Without knowing the details it’s generally bad form to renege after payment received without a good explanation.

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I agree, Phil. Thank goodness it is a rarety for it to happen on here.

Coincidentally I made another deal yesterday, and it was totally the opposite. I was buying some Venezuelan Topps cards on here from dantrades63105 and after we agreed to the deal we realized that one of the cards was mispriced. I tried to get him to take more money, but he said a deal's a deal and wouldn't adjust the price. I figure I will have to even it up next time.

Thanks, Dan for a great deal!

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[rjackson44]

Al is a good person not going to make a big deal but man keep your word. Not nice ,,hi al hope you are well my friend

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

Al is a good person not going to make a big deal but man keep your word. Not nice ,,hi al hope you are well my friend

Thanks, Octavio. Yes, all is good.

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[Bpm0014]

Why are we not outing these people? So that the rest of us can avoid them or avoid any future necessary poor interactions with them. Or at least out them and hear their side of the story…

[Moonlight Graham]

I think it would be great if the person in question actually came on the thread and explained his side of the story without being outed-much more of a classy move I think.

Joe K.

[GasHouseGang]

I've never had any problems on BST. I think most of the sellers on this site are very honorable and once a deal is made they always follow through.

[JollyElm]

We should have a 'Guess the Perp' contest.

For me, the most important clue in narrowing down the transaction so far is this statement:
"Well, a member put a card up for sale yesterday. It was kind of an oddball card, one I wasn't familiar with. I googled it and it looked legit. Then I checked with PSA and there were just a few graded."

[Gorditadogg]

I don't think the guy needs to be outed. And there's no need for him to come on here to explain. It's pretty easy to understand what happened. Just ask yourself why he would sell the card to someone else after he'd already been paid for it.

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[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I don't think the guy needs to be outed. And there's no need for him to come on here to explain. It's pretty easy to understand what happened. Just ask yourself why he would sell the card to someone else after he'd already been paid for it.

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Reneging on a deal is not supposed to happen on here though, right?

[Mozzie22]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I don't think the guy needs to be outed. And there's no need for him to come on here to explain. It's pretty easy to understand what happened. Just ask yourself why he would sell the card to someone else after he'd already been paid for it.

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Then why the hell did you bring it up? Grow a pair and post who it was so others don't get screwed.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Mozzie22

Then why the hell did you bring it up? Grow a pair and post who it was so others don't get screwed.

Interesting thread. I guess he just wanted to share a story. I know if I had that happen I would let Leon know and make a mention here to warn others and in case the other person wanted to explain.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Interesting thread. I guess he just wanted to share a story. I know if I had that happen I would let Leon know and make a mention here to warn others and in case the other person wanted to explain.

Again, I don't think there is anything for the seller to explain. I think we all can figure out what happened.

And yes, I did want to vent a little, but I mostly wanted to see what the board's thoughts are. Both the buyer and seller are active, long-time members. I am surprised they did what they did, but I don't feel I've got a consensus that I've been wronged.

Leon's got plenty to do taking care of his dogs. He doesn't need to intervene in every spat that goes on here.

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[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Without knowing the details it’s generally bad form to renege after payment received without a good explanation.

It's not just bad form. It's criminal. It's a clear violation of contract law. Any kind of attempt not to honour one's bid or offer is absolutely intolerable in the securities industry and any such behaviour is punished severely.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Both the buyer and seller are active, long-time members. I am surprised they did what they did, but I don't feel I've got a consensus that I've been wronged.

You've been wronged. In life, we get to choose who we will be. Some decide integrity is important to them. Others decide reneging to make some extra money is more important.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Mark17

You've been wronged. In life, we get to choose who we will be. Some decide integrity is important to them. Others decide reneging to make some extra money is more important.

Wait, I thought stuff trumped all?

[jayshum]

Al, did you pay the asking price for the card? If so, then after you sent payment, someone offered to pay more and that offer was accepted? Seems wrong to me. Was the asking price ridiculously low and the seller realized it after the fact? Still seems wrong if that's the case but then not as surprising.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Wait, I thought stuff trumped all?

To some it does.

[Eric72]

Person A offers to sell a card.
Person B offers to buy it.
Person A asks for Friends and Family.
Person B makes payment via F&F.
Person C gets involved and offers more money.
Person A refunds person B and sells the card to person C.

My two cents:

Person A went back on their word and should not be trusted.

Person C is an opportunistic weasel and should not be trusted.

[ALBB]

Opportunistic weasel ! LOL

[bnorth]

I just wonder why so many people have to bump their threads to update us all when they sell an item. Bumping an item above people still actually trying to sell something is a BLEEP move when you are just bumping to post SOLD.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I just wonder why so many people have to bump their threads to update us all when they sell an item. Bumping an item above people still actually trying to sell something is a BLEEP move when you are just bumping to post SOLD.

Agreed, I just edit and put "SOLD FOR MORE ON EBAY". Which is inherently the case.

[Leon]

FYI, I am told by one of the involved parties that this situation is all worked out and the situation has been made right. We have some good members on the forum.
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[Gorditadogg]

I just signed on to update this thread and I see that Leon beat me to it.

Yes, the buyer reached out to Leon and me, and assured me he did not offer above the seller's asking price, which he agreed would be unethical. I told him I would post this update, so that everyone would understand this speculation was inaccurate.

As Leon said, there are three sides to every story. Bottom line, this situation is resolved. All's well that ends well.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I just signed on to update this thread and I see that Leon beat me to it.

Yes, the buyer reached out to Leon and me, and assured me he did not offer above the seller's asking price, which he agreed would be unethical. I told him I would post this update, so that everyone would understand this speculation was inaccurate.

As Leon said, there are three sides to every story. Bottom line, this situation is resolved. All's well that ends well.

Would love to hear the reason the seller changed buyers after receiving payment if it wasn't for more money.

[ALBB]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Would love to hear the reason the seller changed buyers after receiving payment if it wasn't for more money.

Yes, why ??

[Jewish-collector]

If you want the other parties to come on here and explain their reasoning in detail, then give us a hell yeah.

[Bpm0014]

Seller decides to cancel a deal. To sell it to somebody else. For the same amount of money?

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I just wonder why so many people have to bump their threads to update us all when they sell an item. Bumping an item above people still actually trying to sell something is a BLEEP move when you are just bumping to post SOLD.

I don’t agree. I think it’s a thoughtful move to give other board members a heads up not to waste time on it because it’s been sold. I’ve had people message me years after something was listed inquiring if it still available. I think it’s the right think to post — once — SOLD.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I don’t agree. I think it’s a thoughtful move to give other board members a heads up not to waste time on it because it’s been sold. I’ve had people message me years after something was listed inquiring if it still available. I think it’s the right think to post — once — SOLD.

Well, people can (and should) just edit their post to include "Sold" in the title and body, just edit the existing listing. Making a new comment that bumps the post up is not necessary and dumb.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Well, people can (and should) just edit their post to include "Sold" in the title and body, just edit the existing listing. Making a new comment that bumps the post up is not necessary and dumb.

I see your point, but if something is going to sell it will sell.

More annoying are the posts tapping same item for 37th time and threatening, again, that said item is about to be consigned to an AH.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I see your point, but if something is going to sell it will sell.

More annoying are the posts tapping same item for 37th time and threatening, again, that said item is about to be consigned to an AH.

Not going back into the drawer this time?

My personal favorite: “I can’t believe I still have this…”

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Would love to hear the reason the seller changed buyers after receiving payment if it wasn't for more money.

Why? As long as the situation is corrected? To me, that is what counts. Everyone makes mistakes and it's how they are handled that matters most. And I am not saying who made a mistake...I don't know and I don't care now.

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[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Leon

Why? As long as the situation is corrected? To me, that is what counts. Everyone makes mistakes and it's how they are handled that matters most. And I am not saying who made a mistake...I don't know and I don't care now.

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Because I can't think of a reason I would do the same thing after receiving payment from someone else. Also, as discussed in several other threads, it may violate some contract law, at least according to what I remember some people posting.

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Because I can't think of a reason I would do the same thing after receiving payment from someone else. Also, as discussed in several other threads, it may violate some contract law, at least according to what I remember some people posting.

If the seller was not receiving any more money, there are two main reasons he/she would go through the trouble to cancel an existing deal.

First, the second buyer and the seller are friends. Secondly, if the deal included the seller paying shipping, and the second buyer lived closer to the seller, the seller may’ve saved a few bucks on shipping.

I’m sure there are other possible reasons. However, those are the main ones - if the selling price remained the same.

[bobbyw8469]

This whole thing is odd. I can't wrap my head around any of it.

[premiercardcollectors]

As a buyer I just expect that people do what they say they are going to do and I do the same when selling.


Geoff Bedine
Premier Card Collectors
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[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Tyruscobb

If the seller was not receiving any more money, there are two main reasons he/she would go through the trouble to cancel an existing deal.

First, the second buyer and the seller are friends. Secondly, if the deal included the seller paying shipping, and the second buyer lived closer to the seller, the seller may’ve saved a few bucks on shipping.

I’m sure there are other possible reasons. However, those are the main ones - if the selling price remained the same.

I could imagine a couple more. The second guy might've had a compelling story, like maybe he is the grandson of the player on the card and wanted it to keep in the family, or it was the last card needed to complete a set.

Or, maybe the buyer also wanted to purchase some other cards, so it was part of a package deal.

The first scenario happened with me recently, although there was no competing would-be buyer. I was looking for two very specific GU jerseys, and a fellow Net54 member sold them to me, although a bit reluctantly I think, because he's also an avid GU jersey collector. I think it really does matter to a lot of us, that things we collect and matter to us will receive maximum appreciation from their next owner. So, just saying, that's a possible reason a sale could go in one direction rather than another, for the same money.