Rafael Devers

[bk400]

https://bvmsports.com/2025/03/31/red...key-prospects/

Looks like Rafael Devers karma'ed himself with all that whining about Alex Bergman's arrival. And the trade, if true, comes after he struck out 12 times in four games to start the season.

[John1941]

There isn't a single other source for that trade. Based on SI,(https://www.si.com/mlb/red-sox/bosto...b-history-pat3 it seems that was just a wacky proposal a writer floated.

The Red Sox have signed Devers thru 2033. There's no way they're trading him that eagerly.

[D. Bergin]

I really hate that half the articles that pop up on my sports news feed are "proposed" trades, by sports "insiders" that have zero basis in reality.

Then the rest of the article is the writer (or AI) basically arguing with themselves on why it would be a smart/dumb trade for said team, if somebody actually follows through on it.

I thought it was pretty hilarious when there was an actual "huge trade" (Luca Doncic to the Lakers), there was literally zero warning from any of the industry "insiders".

[sbfinley]

I wouldn't state Devers "whined" about Bregman's arrival. He had one public statement spring in which he said he felt third base was his position and that he didn't want to DH and media ran with it. It would have been a moot point if Kristian Campbell didn't play his way into the opening day lineup during spring. I think Devers will be fine in the long run, he's still just 28 and his 162 averages speak for themselves.

As for the trade, I just can't see it happening. The Tigers are raving about the Torkelson's adjustment this year and the Red Sox already have Casas fairly planted at 1B.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Campbell didn't play his way into the lineup though, he had a terrible spring. IMO the team had Devers to DH as the plan all along.

And I agree - Tigers are not trading Tork right now the way he is playing, just to take on a huge contract

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I really hate that half the articles that pop up on my sports news feed are "proposed" trades, by sports "insiders" that have zero basis in reality.

Then the rest of the article is the writer (or AI) basically arguing with themselves on why it would be a smart/dumb trade for said team, if somebody actually follows through on it.

I thought it was pretty hilarious when there was an actual "huge trade" (Luca Doncic to the Lakers), there was literally zero warning from any of the industry "insiders".

About as useful as "Mock Drafts" in football. Why do I care what some idiot talking head predicts may happen? How is that even entertaining?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

About as useful as "Mock Drafts" in football. Why do I care what some idiot talking head predicts may happen? How is that even entertaining?

Haha, I almost mentioned that in my little rant. Mock drafts are less then useless. It’s one thing when it’s maybe the week leading up to the draft, but they bombard us with them year round now.

[bk400]

Devers now has 15 strikeouts in 19 at-bats. Tony Gwynn had 15 strikeouts for the SEASON in 1995 (535 at-bats).

[sbfinley]

It’s been 6 days and his OPS is nearly .900 now, so… we may have been premature.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

It’s been 6 days and his OPS is nearly .900 now, so… we may have been premature.

4 for 4 tonight in a Red Sox rout. One bad week in a 26 week baseball season is usually not worth panicking over.

[GamblingMan]

I read that sporting news article. It was full of misspellings and not based in reality at all. The Sox just signed him for over 300 million dollars. There's not one team out there that would want to take him on unless the Sox floated at least 75% of that contract. There's no way in hell they could do that. Unfortunately writers today aren't real writers. The guy obviously had a deadline for an article and came up with total nonsense. He didn't even have time to use spellcheck before submitting it.

[bk400]

https://nypost.com/2025/05/08/sports...e-for-red-sox/

I have some skepticism when reading New York tabloid coverage of the Red Sox, but still. Maybe Rafael Devers should ask Mookie Betts how many positions he's played in helping the Dodgers win a couple of rings. He should also ask himself how many MVP awards he's won and whether or not he is on a $300 million contract.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by bk400

https://nypost.com/2025/05/08/sports...e-for-red-sox/

I have some skepticism when reading New York tabloid coverage of the Red Sox, but still. Maybe Rafael Devers should ask Mookie Betts how many positions he's played in helping the Dodgers win a couple of rings. He should also ask himself how many MVP awards he's won and whether or not he is on a $300 million contract.

Trying to learn to play a new position in the middle of the season at the major league level is probably not the easiest thing to do so I can understand Devers not being thrilled with the idea if he's never played first base before.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Devers.... Just play where it helps the team the most, dude! If Bryce Harper can play first base (a position he still doesn't play well even after years of doing it), surely Devers can. A semi-competent 3B can easily learn 1B, no?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Devers.... Just play where it helps the team the most, dude! If Bryce Harper can play first base (a position he still doesn't play well even after years of doing it), surely Devers can. A semi-competent 3B can easily learn 1B, no?

Harper started playing first base in 2023 and was a Gold Glove finalist in the NL in 2024 so not sure what you're talking about. I don't know how good a fielder Devers was at third, but as I said before, trying to learn a new position at the major leagues level isn't easy. Harper worked on it while DHing during his comeback from elbow surgery. Devers would have to start doing it with little opportunity to learn the position.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Harper started playing first base in 2023 and was a Gold Glove finalist in the NL in 2024 so not sure what you're talking about. I don't know how good a fielder Devers was at third, but as I said before, trying to learn a new position at the major leagues level isn't easy. Harper worked on it while DHing during his comeback from elbow surgery. Devers would have to start doing it with little opportunity to learn the position.

What is it that you don't understand from what I wrote? Harper is not a very good first baseman, despite having played there for multiple years now. If you watch him play you will see this. GG finalist lists aren't really persuasive to me when I've seen him play tons of games.

I refuse to believe that Devers couldn't learn a passable (Harper level) first base in a couple of weeks - he's already been an infielder his entire career

ALSO: I should add that I am extremely biased about the whole thing because I want them to call up Roman Anthony. Free up that DH spot and let the kid play in the bigs!

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

What is it that you don't understand from what I wrote? Harper is not a very good first baseman, despite having played there for multiple years now. If you watch him play you will see this. GG finalist lists aren't really persuasive to me when I've seen him play tons of games.

I refuse to believe that Devers couldn't learn a passable (Harper level) first base in a couple of weeks - he's already been an infielder his entire career

I've probably watched every game that Harper had played at first base. He's one of the better fielding first basemen in the league. You may disagree, but I think you're in the minority with your opinion.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I've probably watched every game that Harper had played at first base. He's one of the better fielding first basemen in the league. You may disagree, but I think you're in the minority with your opinion.

Fielding in terms of individually handling balls that come his way? I could certainly see him being in the top 50%. Where I have seen him often make mistakes is on throws, plays involving the pitcher, etc

+... I'm not sure if you're a Phillies fan, but I'm not trying to hate on Harper here - he's one of my favorite hitters to watch, and he's an example of what I think Devers SHOULD do

[bk400]

The Red Sox management have a track record of understanding baseball, and I'd have to imagine that if they think that the lineup is better with Devers at 1B, his inexperience there notwithstanding, that there is some thought behind it.

I really don't like the Dodgers, but I respect what they've done as a team. Everything they do is unselfish, from Ohtani's salary deferral, to how 3 MVPs can be in the same lineup without obvious ego wars. You've got Mookie Betts playing everywhere on the field, Freddie Freeman playing on a broken ankle.
And you've got guys like Edman and Kike Hernandez who would be starters elsewhere, but they're happy being highly paid utility players who win rings.

Devers is the anti-Dodgers.

[jayshum]

Ken Rosenthal has the following column about Devers and the Red Sox asking him to play first base:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/634...serId=15608260

The Boston Red Sox were perfectly justified in asking Rafael Devers to vacate third base for Alex Bregman and become a designated hitter. They are far less justified in asking Devers to switch again, this time to first base, a position he has never played.

It’s not Devers’ fault the Red Sox were negligent in finding an alternative for first baseman Triston Casas, who missed nearly four months in 2024 with a strained left rib cage and is out for the rest of 2025 with a ruptured left patella tendon.

And heaven knows it would not be easy for Devers to transition to first base, a position that is nuanced and difficult to master.

In theory, the move would make sense, providing an offensive upgrade over the current mishmash at first and clearing the DH spot for Masataka Yoshida, whose uncertain fit on the roster once he returns from shoulder surgery also is not Devers’ doing.

In reality, by agreeing to such a change in the middle of a season, Devers would risk injury, offensive regression and embarrassment.

Devers isn’t above reproach in this latest chapter of As The Red Sox Turn, which includes a potential disconnect between chief baseball officer Craig Breslow and manager Alex Cora. But Devers is in a lose-lose situation almost entirely of the team’s making. We say “almost” because if Devers were a better defender at third base, maybe the Sox would have been less inclined to pursue Bregman.

Still, what exactly is the Sox’s end game here?

Does Devers become the “great teammate” Breslow envisions, doing whatever the team wants, whenever the team wants, regardless of the potential consequences?

Or does Devers stand firm, refuse to play first and continue to look selfish even though he already made one team-first sacrifice this season by becoming a DH in the second year of his 10-year, $313.5 million extension?

With that move, too, the Red Sox went too far. Once they signed Bregman, they need not have, in Devers’ words, “told me to put away my glove.” Knowing they were thin at first behind Casas, the Sox could have begun Devers’ acclimation to the position right then and continued giving him reps at third as well.

Instead, they delivered this shock.

The guess here is that Devers will be shamed into making the switch. And if he struggles — a real possibility, as Kyle Schwarber, a former makeshift first baseman with the Red Sox, can attest — what will any Sox fans, players and executives grumbling about Devers’ stubbornness say then?


From Jon Lester to Mookie Betts to Xander Bogaerts, the John Henry ownership has a history of botching it with star players. The signing of Devers was at least in part a reaction to the team’s failure to keep Betts, which proved a disaster, and Bogaerts, which looks better by the day. But at least it was a commitment.

Devers, 28, was to be the centerpiece of the next Red Sox renaissance. And less than 2 1/2 years after giving him the richest deal in franchise history — under a different head of baseball operations, Chaim Bloom, but the same ownership — it almost seems as if the team wants him to go away.

The idea of a trade at some point isn’t all that far-fetched, even with Devers owed more than $250 million, including a portion deferred. For a hitter of his quality, the contract soon might look like something of a bargain, at least compared to Juan Soto’s $765 million and Vladimir Guerrero Jr.’s $500 million.

Even if Bregman exercises his opt-out and departs as a free agent, the Sox can play top infield prospect Marcelo Mayer at third, leaving Devers without a position and possibly without a team. His contract does not include a no-trade clause, only a $2 million assignment bonus if the Sox send him to another club.

Breslow, who declined a request for comment, surely would object to any suggestion he wants to purge Devers, as would Henry and CEO Sam Kennedy. After Devers publicly revealed Breslow’s request for him to play first, that power trio embarked upon the Sox’s most dramatic journey since Doug Mirabelli’s police escort to Fenway Park in 2006, hastily flying to Kansas City on Friday to demonstrate its grave concern.



Three days after Henry and Cora met with Devers, the standoff continues. Not that it’s bothering Devers any — he went 7-for-12 against the Kansas City Royals this weekend with a 440-foot homer Sunday. But the entire episode smacks of the tendency of some modern front offices to view players as robotic chess pieces capable of moving around the field according to management’s whims. And it was all so avoidable, if the Red Sox had just been upfront with Devers from the start.


Devers, remember, criticized Red Sox management before the 2024 season for failing to upgrade the roster. So, heading into the 2024-25 offseason, Breslow and Cora could have sat him down and said: “Raffy, we heard you. We’re going after some players. One of them could be a third baseman. And if we get, say, Bregman or Nolan Arenado, we’re going to need you to play either first base or DH.”

When reporters asked Breslow about moving Devers off third at the team’s end-of-season news conference last Sept. 30, the chief baseball officer acknowledged such a talk might be necessary. “Those conversations, if they were to occur, would definitely happen internally before I discuss them here,” Breslow said.

At the Winter Meetings, the question came up again, and Breslow and Cora said Devers was Boston’s third baseman. Which would have been fine as a public stance and negotiating leverage against Bregman and others if Breslow had kept Devers abreast of the team’s maneuverings.

Evidently, Breslow did not.

The Sox, in their desire for Devers to be a “great teammate,” fail to recognize it’s a two-way street. In awarding Devers a monster contract, it was reasonable for the team to ask him to take on greater responsibility. And in accepting the deal, it was reasonable for Devers to expect the team to treat him better than it would some rookie.

That’s not the way this is playing out, which leads to another question:

Where is Cora, the Sox’s great facilitator?

Cora first became Red Sox manager in October 2017, shortly after Devers’ major-league debut. The two formed a lasting bond, cemented in part by the Sox’s World Series title in 2018. Cora, it seemed, was the most persuasive voice in the behind-the-scenes conversations that helped Devers accept becoming a DH.

But Cora, who declined comment, seemed to resist the growing Devers-to-first-base drumbeat, saying earlier this week: “Cut-offs and relays — there’s a lot of stuff. … It’s a tough position to play, a tough position to learn.” Breslow, not Cora, was the one who asked Devers to make the change, raising the possibility of disagreement between the manager and chief baseball officer, a possibility neither has addressed.


Cora knows Devers sometimes takes things hard. Maybe the manager believed he could not go back to the well with his star player. Maybe he disagreed with even asking Devers to make the switch. Maybe he doesn’t want Devers in the field at all.

As a former player, Cora understands every player is different and that some are less adaptable than others. Breslow, another former player, should understand that, too.

Betts, who came up as an infielder, was willing to move to shortstop for the Los Angeles Dodgers to prove a point and had part of spring training to adjust. Bryce Harper moved to first base to accelerate his return from Tommy John surgery and also had time to prepare.

The Red Sox signed Devers in 2013. They know he is not as fluid an athlete as Betts or even Harper. They also know, or should know, how he might react to perceived slights. Yet, they keep pushing him, creating tension instead of crafting something akin to a partnership.

Some of Devers’ comments were overly dramatic, ill-advised. No one is asking him to “play every position out there.” And when he said the Red Sox did not stay “true to their word” about him playing DH, well, circumstances changed. Devers should not have been offended by the team’s request, just as the Red Sox should not be offended by his resistance.

The worst part of this is that some will view Devers as a malcontent, when for the vast majority of his career he was considered anything but. The Red Sox gave him the extension because they believed in the person as much as the player.

Now this.

The Sox do not want to play one of their top prospects, Mayer or outfielder Roman Anthony, at first, valuing their defense almost as much as their offense. It’s not Devers’ job to accommodate Yoshida, a $90 million mistake signed through 2027. It’s also not Devers’ job to patch first base when alternatives exist: Garrett Cooper/Dominic Smith types at Triple A, Anthony Rizzo as a free agent.

The Sox paid Devers to hit. Let him hit. And figure out the rest.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Ken Rosenthal has the following column about Devers and the Red Sox asking him to play first base:
...
The Sox paid Devers to hit. Let him hit. And figure out the rest.

They're asking the highest paid player on the team to play the least demanding position on the team. Transitioning from 3B to 1B isn't asking a lot from a 28 yr old. They aren't asking him to suit up as catcher or move to the OF.

If Big Papi could play 1B occasionally, no reason Devers can't.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

They're asking the highest paid player on the team to play the least demanding position on the team. Transitioning from 3B to 1B isn't asking a lot from a 28 yr old. They aren't asking him to suit up as catcher or move to the OF.

If Big Papi could play 1B occasionally, no reason Devers can't.

It's one thing to work on a new position in spring training. It's a lot different to try to learn a new position at the major league level with no prior experience there on a team that wants to win games. Also, from looking at Devers defensive numbers at third base, he doesn't appear to be a gifted defender to start with. Even if it is the "least demanding position" on the field, it's not as simple as it sounds as indicated by the quotes in the article from the Red Sox manager, Alex Cora.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by jayshum

It's one thing to work on a new position in spring training. It's a lot different to try to learn a new position at the major league level with no prior experience there on a team that wants to win games. Also, from looking at Devers defensive numbers at third base, he doesn't appear to be a gifted defender to start with. Even if it is the "least demanding position" on the field, it's not as simple as it sounds as indicated by the quotes in the article from the Red Sox manager, Alex Cora.

I assume all of the position players take daily defensive reps at their position before games, and additional defensive reps on non-game days. Does DH Devers take reps at 3B in case of a Bregman injury? Or is he DH-only the entire season?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

I assume all of the position players take daily defensive reps at their position before games, and additional defensive reps on non-game days. Does DH Devers take reps at 3B in case of a Bregman injury? Or is he DH-only the entire season?

I have no idea if Devers still takes any fielding practice. One of his quotes said they told him to put away his glove, so maybe not.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by jayshum

It's one thing to work on a new position in spring training. It's a lot different to try to learn a new position at the major league level with no prior experience there on a team that wants to win games. Also, from looking at Devers defensive numbers at third base, he doesn't appear to be a gifted defender to start with. Even if it is the "least demanding position" on the field, it's not as simple as it sounds as indicated by the quotes in the article from the Red Sox manager, Alex Cora.

Agree. Even if first base is the easiest fielding position, that doesn't mean it's easy - you're still fielding a key big league position. I'm sure Devers could learn to play 1b given adequate time - but to expect him to learn on the job is asking a lot, and he's no defensive wizard.

I'm a great believer in teams not trying to ask too much of their players. If you ask a player to do more than they're capable of, you can seriously mess them up.

[bk400]

If I were Devers, I'd be flattered that the Red Sox think that I'm a good enough baseball player / athlete to play first base, in spite of my lack of experience. It's a new position, but the guy was a starting 3B for a long time. I cannot imagine that it is that difficult for a long time, starting major league third baseman to figure out the positional nuances of a first baseman. These guys have been playing baseball their whole lives.

Will he be a Gold Glover at 1B? Probably not. Will he make more errors than the average 1B in the major leagues for a period of time? Probably.

But I bet the Red Sox figured that he could evolve into a long term first baseman, since he's not exactly a picture of athleticism and mobility (and appears to be getting fatter). But, he's going to be a big, $315mm baby about it and go all Gen Z at work. (No offense.)