Prompt Advice Needed!

[perezfan]

Hey, just soliciting advice from the experts here at net54. SGC really seems to grade the important/key cards tougher than the commons and lower-tier HOFers. I've been noticing this pattern for some time now.

Along that vein, here is an SGC "Reveal" video we just released...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaBNOgG7uOs

I'm quite unhappy with the grades issued for Walter Johnson and Cy Young. My question is whether it's better to keep them slabbed and send in for a review? Or is it better to crack them out and treat as entirely new submissions?

I swore I would not get caught up in the re-submission game, but here I am.

So what's the best tactic, given the fact I only want to do this once. There's a local show here on Saturday, and SGC will be there. So looking for some quick thoughts and advice.

Many thanks for your help!
Mark

[Vintagedeputy]

I just watched the video and I agree with every grade that SGC assigned. I see no issues whatsoever. The ones you thought would be 5's, there's no way.

[Fred]

Mark,

You saw Forrest Gump I bet. Well, grading is like that box of chocolates...

I think one huge consideration for resubmission is the cost of the service.

Just curious, what did it cost for that submission in the video?

Is it worth risking a downgrade? What's the upside if it comes back half a grade or a full grade higher on the cards you plan to resubmit?

If you do resubmit, I wish you the best of luck.

[robw1959]

I can't speak to the grade for Cy Young, as my opinion on that is a solid 4. However, the Johnson card appears to have some staining/toning on the reverse, and that kept the grade below 4 as it most always does.

Finally, my experience over 20+ years of having cards submitted for grades is that they do not grade more strictly just because a player happens to be a big name Hall of Famer.

[JollyElm]

It's tough to offer an opinion, because many or most of your pre-grading predictions were right in range with what they received, so I see it as the "if you live by the grade, you die by the grade" disappointment we're all subject to. Know what I mean?

Good luck if you decide to resubmit!!

[ASF123]

Honestly, you did better than I thought you would. I predicted 3s on both Young and Johnson, 2.5 on Wagner and under on a few others as well. I share your view that grading has become far too punitive for vintage and especially for prewar (which is why 99% of my cards are raw). Having watched a lot of reveal videos, I think it’s just that you slightly underestimated exactly *how* punitive it’s become.

[Rhotchkiss]

I watched your video. First, its nice to put a face to the posts/avatar.

A few comments: (i) the Waddell is 100% trimmed. Its short and the right corners (top and bottom) indicate trimming (ii) I think the cards are very good looking, making the grades a little less relevant, especially in an SGC flip. SGC has no registry, and I think most people buying cards in SGC flips are more after the appeal than the grade. Thus, I dont think the value between the Young in a 3.5 is much different than the 4, and so I would not resubmit. (iii) I The Young looks a bit undergraded, especially compared to the Walsh, but overall I think the grades are pretty fair. Regarding the Johnson, it looks like it has a slight diamond cut, which could be the reason for the 3.5 instead of a 4+.

I totally agree that graders are much harsher today than years ago. This is annoying, not because of new submissions, but because cards in an old 6 slab would be in a 3-4 slab today. The lack of temporal consistency, across all graders, sucks

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I watched your video. First, its nice to put a face to the posts/avatar.

A few comments: (i) the Waddell is 100% trimmed. Its short and the right corners (top and bottom) indicate trimming

I didn't get past the Waddell for the reasons Ryan gave.

[theshowandme]

I would leave them as is.

They are great cards.

Posting the SGC scans so people can quickly see them

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I'm quite unhappy with the grades issued for Walter Johnson and Cy Young. My question is whether it's better to keep them slabbed and send in for a review? Or is it better to crack them out and treat as entirely new submissions?

I swore I would not get caught up in the re-submission game, but here I am.

Regraded? Look, do you like your cards or not? Do you not have your own opinion as to their aesthetics? What's the point of sending them to be graded in the first place?

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Regraded? Look, do you like your cards or not? Do you not have your own opinion as to their aesthetics? What's the point of sending them to be graded in the first place?

Watch the first couple minutes of video.....he states that

[jchcollins]

It's easy to get caught up in the game and the decisions, but I quit doing that a long time ago.

ALL grading is subjective at the end of the day, and ALL reputable graders make mistakes and are prone to give the exact same card a different grade either higher or lower upon resubmission.

So I would agree it boils down to whether or not you like the cards, especially for PC cards. Unless something is just egregiously wrong (i.e. calling a card you thought was a 3 or 4 altered...) then I'm to the point I don't give much of a hoot what the opinion number on the slab winds up being as long as the card looks good in the slab. Good luck with whatever you decide...

[bbcard1]

Everyone believes:

Their house is worth more than it is.
Their kids are prettier than they are.
Their baseball cards will grade higher than they will.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

Their baseball cards will grade higher than they will.

In certain cases yes, but I will say with SGC they often have a higher opinion of my stuff than I do. I realize that's not the bias trend, but when I write down my guesses before submitting with them, more often than not I will get a few cards back that grade a 6 when I thought whatever it is was a 5, etc...

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

Everyone believes:

Their house is worth more than it is.
Their kids are prettier than they are.
Their baseball cards will grade higher than they will.

I might print this and put it on my wall