SOLD: 1956 Topps #135 Mickey Mantle SGC 3

[robw1959]

SOLD: This is a terrific 3, with no creasing. Asking $1500 shipped, PayPal Friends & Family preferred.

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[dahunt8111]

PM Sent of interest. Looks better than a 3, what's your opinion on why SGC gave it a 3?

Dave

[robw1959]

Not sure at all why the present grade. It presents higher, I think.

[italydad123]

hi, is there any room on the price? $1500 is well above the average sales over the the past 30/60/90/180/365 days.

[dahunt8111]

GONZO - happy to add this well above looking SGC 3 to my ownership. It may be priced a bit higher than recent comps, but it also looks a bunch better than recent comps.

[paulcarek]

Great card! I am a big fan of the factory rough cut, myself.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by italydad123

hi, is there any room on the price? $1500 is well above the average sales over the the past 30/60/90/180/365 days.

What sources were you consulting? I see some recent eBay completed sales that are at or above this price (one white back, the rest are gray). So I would not call it “well-above” anything.

Pretty card for the grade.

[TUM301]

To me anyway, there’s certain cards outside your main collecting focus that you always notice and say “should I”. The 56 Mantle is one, this SGC 3 presents very nicely and wish I’d seen it earlier. Nice pick up.

[italydad123]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

What sources were you consulting? I see some recent eBay completed sales that are at or above this price (one white back, the rest are gray). So I would not call it “well-above” anything.

Pretty card for the grade.

I was using an app called Market Movers, but perhaps it is missing some sales since they don't have the ones in the screenshot there. What tool are you using so I can check that one out? Thanks!

Mine showed last 5 dales between 1035-1320 which is why I made the comment, no worries though since the card was sold!

[dahunt8111]

As the very happy buyer of this card, the biggest source of information when it comes to what is selling and how frequently, the largest marketplace bar none is ebay, so using ebay past sales for the past 30 days or 60 days tells you what you need to know. Sure, I didn't force the seller to pay ebay fees, but I also got a great looking 3 at a very fair price. I've bought from the seller also previously so had no issue paying PPFF.

In my humble opinion, I think there is an ingestion problem with vintage data into Market Movers as the app was developed by and for the flipper community of new sports cards and that's where they seem to spend the most of their resources and vintage is merely an afterthought...

A 56 Mantle is and has always been an iconic card, and could be the most transacted Mantle due to shear demand (more affordable than 53 and 52 while the most famous, is out of the reach of many of us at this point). A raw EX-EXMT copy from GMC sold the other night for over $4K. I like my card and my price much better all things considered.

[vintage321]

Originally Posted by dahunt8111

PM Sent of interest. Looks better than a 3, what's your opinion on why SGC gave it a 3?

Dave

i don't want anybody to get mad at me so i waited until AFTER the card was
sold AND you asked the above question.

it appears to me their may may be some very slight writing on the back left hand side between the E and A
in the word "lead"

[dahunt8111]

Suppose there could be something there. It appears different when I looked at the high resolution scan on the SGC website, appears to me more of an ink spot which is where I'm leaning. SGC is a little "loose" on certain things from my experience, but their first mention of ink or pencil is in SGC 2/2.5. No mention of either in a 3. Suppose because of the looks of the front, they may have said it deserves a little eye appeal bump...

I'm old school, I buy the card and not the slab or the numerical number on the slab - even if there is writing on that card, I'm going to be very happy to add this Mantle. For complete closure on the subject with respect to this, I will post a condition assessment when the card arrives on Monday.

This card does not look like a "3" to me, but rather it looks like a blazer, so I will also just add that SGC to me is very consistent and so I do know the card is not perfect and there's something (likely a slight surface wrinkle is my guess), but again very happy Mick is coming here.

[vintage321]

i do congratulate you on the card !! and i love sgc.

for reference sakes, i have 3.

ALL in the same grade range.

beckett 3.5, sgc 2.5, and sgc 2

so YES, i agree , buy the card not the holder.

it's an iconic card.

(i'll be looking to add a fourth, after i check off a few other boxes, lol.)

[dahunt8111]

As previously promised, Mick arrived today and wanted to provide my review of the card.

Card eye appeal is off the charts, In the posted scans looked a little light, not at all in hand. Bold colors with only a hint of "snow" in the crowd section and lightly on Mick's hat.

Under heavy magnification (>10X) I initially could find absolutely no creases or wrinkles, but tilting just right there "could" be a 1/4" VERY light surface wrinkle in border area near RH side about 1/2 up card near Mick's ear, but not convinced I'm not seeing things either as maybe I'm somehow talking myself into the "3"

L/R centering is 50/50; T/B centering ~60/40 (ie. well-centered)

Sharp Corners & Edges (at least "5/6" grade)

Minor Bottom Factory "rough" cut of card

The previously mentioned possible writing on back in between "E" and "A" in lead appears to be a factory print blob and not writing and is less significant in hand.

Mick was packaged very securely and shipped inside a Priority Mail box for safe delivery. Shipped across the country in 2 days.

EXTREMELY pleased with card in hand. Thanks Bob for a great transaction and a great add to my collection!!!

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by dahunt8111

As previously promised, Mick arrived today and wanted to provide my review of the card.

Card eye appeal is off the charts, In the posted scans looked a little light, not at all in hand. Bold colors with only a hint of "snow" in the crowd section and lightly on Mick's hat.

Under heavy magnification (>10X) I initially could find absolutely no creases or wrinkles, but tilting just right there "could" be a 1/4" VERY light surface wrinkle in border area near RH side about 1/2 up card near Mick's ear, but not convinced I'm not seeing things either as maybe I'm somehow talking myself into the "3"

L/R centering is 50/50; T/B centering ~60/40 (ie. well-centered)

Sharp Corners & Edges (at least "5/6" grade)

Minor Bottom Factory "rough" cut of card

The previously mentioned possible writing on back in between "E" and "A" in lead appears to be a factory print blob and not writing and is less significant in hand.

Mick was packaged very securely and shipped inside a Priority Mail box for safe delivery. Shipped across the country in 2 days.

EXTREMELY pleased with card in hand. Thanks Bob for a great transaction and a great add to my collection!!!

Great card, Great pick-up! Congrats!

[robw1959]

Hey, very glad to hear a fellow member is pleased!

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

Great card, Great pick-up! Congrats!

60/40 top to bottom? How are you measuring? Just eyeballing, I would say 75/25.

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[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

60/40 top to bottom? How are you measuring? Just eyeballing, I would say 75/25.

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I now see you meant this question for the buyer of the card.

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by dahunt8111

As previously promised, Mick arrived today and wanted to provide my review of the card.

Card eye appeal is off the charts, In the posted scans looked a little light, not at all in hand. Bold colors with only a hint of "snow" in the crowd section and lightly on Mick's hat.

Under heavy magnification (>10X) I initially could find absolutely no creases or wrinkles, but tilting just right there "could" be a 1/4" VERY light surface wrinkle in border area near RH side about 1/2 up card near Mick's ear, but not convinced I'm not seeing things either as maybe I'm somehow talking myself into the "3"

L/R centering is 50/50; T/B centering ~60/40 (ie. well-centered)

Sharp Corners & Edges (at least "5/6" grade)

Minor Bottom Factory "rough" cut of card

The previously mentioned possible writing on back in between "E" and "A" in lead appears to be a factory print blob and not writing and is less significant in hand.

Mick was packaged very securely and shipped inside a Priority Mail box for safe delivery. Shipped across the country in 2 days.

EXTREMELY pleased with card in hand. Thanks Bob for a great transaction and a great add to my collection!!!

Haha individual card reviews. Love it!

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by dahunt8111

As previously promised, Mick arrived today and wanted to provide my review of the card.



Card eye appeal is off the charts, In the posted scans looked a little light, not at all in hand. Bold colors with only a hint of "snow" in the crowd section and lightly on Mick's hat.



Under heavy magnification (>10X) I initially could find absolutely no creases or wrinkles, but tilting just right there "could" be a 1/4" VERY light surface wrinkle in border area near RH side about 1/2 up card near Mick's ear, but not convinced I'm not seeing things either as maybe I'm somehow talking myself into the "3"



L/R centering is 50/50; T/B centering ~60/40 (ie. well-centered)



Sharp Corners & Edges (at least "5/6" grade)



Minor Bottom Factory "rough" cut of card



The previously mentioned possible writing on back in between "E" and "A" in lead appears to be a factory print blob and not writing and is less significant in hand.



Mick was packaged very securely and shipped inside a Priority Mail box for safe delivery. Shipped across the country in 2 days.



EXTREMELY pleased with card in hand. Thanks Bob for a great transaction and a great add to my collection!!!

60/40 top to bottom? How are you measuring? Just eyeballing, I would say 75/25.

Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk

[dahunt8111]

I eyeballed the card and made an initial assessment of 60/40 once I had card in hand. It is in the case and I don't have a micrometer.

However, upon the questions, I brought the ruler out that is marked off and labeled as 50. This is an engineer ruler for scale drawing purposes. 50 ticks on the ruler = 1 inch. This would mean the resolution of the measurement is pretty good and under heavy light and magnification should have an accuracy as best I can of +- 2%.

I measured in the picture as noted (middle of the card). The left side (or top of the horizontal presentation of the card) yields to the best of my ability 6/9.5 and the right (bottom of horizontal) is 3.5/9.5 which is 63/37. So, I was off on my eye ball measurement and given the tolerance of the ruler and "best as I can with these old eyes" it appears to fall between ~62/38 to 64/36, so not quite 60/40 of my initial assessment but much better than the 75/25 guess.

Regardless, I'm extremely happy with it even if the T/B is 63/37 and not the previously stated 60/40.

[robw1959]

Ha, ha! We do a considerable amount of nit-picking on this board, don't we?

[vintage321]

Originally Posted by robw1959

Ha, ha! We do a considerable amount of nit-picking on this board, don't we?

let's keep it going just a smidge more:

i, personally, am NOT a fan of the "snow" on the surface, takes away
from the eye appeal to ME, (just personal)

although i study vcp like it's the bible, i'm not even exactly sure how
"snow" affects the grade.

not a fan. NONE in my collection. but again, that's just me.

[dahunt8111]

Typically the snow is not something that is appealing to me either, but what I will say is that in hand and viewing the card, the snow is not prevalent or even an eye sore. I do not believe that snow effects the grade of a card at a 5 level or below with either PSA or SGC.

Let's not forget, the card was graded a 3, eye appeal off the charts, and thus SGC deemed the card as "Not Perfect". I accept that fact, it was priced very fairly for the presentation of the card and one I am still very happy with, regardless of the centering discussed yesterday or the snow mentioned here.

I've done deals with Rob prior, and what I will say is that the card delivered has always lived up to or exceeded my expectations beyond the scans posted.

The great thing about our hobby is that it can be so many things to so many people, and while it is fair to say "not for me", it could be viewed negatively when it might be "perfect for others"...

[SyrNy1960]

Originally Posted by dahunt8111

Typically the snow is not something that is appealing to me either, but what I will say is that in hand and viewing the card, the snow is not prevalent or even an eye sore. I do not believe that snow effects the grade of a card at a 5 level or below with either PSA or SGC.

Let's not forget, the card was graded a 3, eye appeal off the charts, and thus SGC deemed the card as "Not Perfect". I accept that fact, it was priced very fairly for the presentation of the card and one I am still very happy with, regardless of the centering discussed yesterday or the snow mentioned here.

I've done deals with Rob prior, and what I will say is that the card delivered has always lived up to or exceeded my expectations beyond the scans posted.

The great thing about our hobby is that it can be so many things to so many people, and while it is fair to say "not for me", it could be viewed negatively when it might be "perfect for others"...

Great attitude! Enjoy, as it really is nice card!

[vintage321]

[vintage321]

sorry, mistake

[vintage321]

trying to post '56 mantle, computer inept, lol

[vintage321]

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i'm so close to posting AND giving up , haha