Wrinkle vs a Crease and Grading impact?

[oldschool73]

Hello,
I recently came across a card/dealer where they claimed the card had a "wrinkle", not a "crease" and the wrinkle was less impactful to the price than a crease. Is there a real distinction here?..and impact on grading?
IME-i've only heard of creases which immediately drop the grading to the 4 range.

thanks
0s73

[nineunder71]

IMO, a wrinkle does not go through to the other side, whereas a crease can be seen on both sides of the card. Yes, a wrinkle is better than a crease, but I’m not sure how it effects “grading”

Good Luck

[Johnny630]

Crease breaks the paper wrinkle may not break the paper...

[DocScoot]

Wrinkle could also be just a bit of a ripple in the card from slight moisture damage, these can be pretty minimal in terms of how noticeable they are, but will still impact the grade pretty strongly.

[swarmee]

Surface wrinkle on the back gets a maximum grade of 6, 5 if on the front.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

to me a wrinkle doesn't not only penetrate the card but it is literally just in the surface layer of whatever side it's on. In the 70's you could get cards right out of the pack that were loaded with tiny surface wrinkles on the front. The theory was from too much ink or ink drying weird or something. Mint cards covered in these minute wrinkles, you can still find them and they are SO annoying.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by nineunder71

IMO, a wrinkle does not go through to the other side, whereas a crease can be seen on both sides of the card. Yes, a wrinkle is better than a crease, but I’m not sure how it effects “grading”

Good Luck

I agree with this assessment.

A good card doctor can remove wrinkles and creases or make the crease a small wrinkle. You would think the TPGs would be able to detect this but they usually don't understand how to recognize it or just don't care.

I'm not card doctor but years ago someone showed me how easy it is to "uncrease" or remove a wrinkle from a card. Personally, I wouldn't do it because there is a chance of making it worse if you don't know what you're doing.

[Scocs]

My two cents: I now look for vintage cards with surface wrinkles because:

1) they are affordable because they are technically lower grade

2) they have outstanding eye appeal

Here is my 1952 Bowman Willie Mays that is a PSA 2….that looks like a PSA 8. It has near perfect centering (which is almost an impossibility with that card), razor sharp edges and corners, snow white borders, and flawless color/registration. The only issue is three light surface wrinkles on the front that you can’t see 75% of the time. Buy the card, not the holder! Sorry they are sideways….

[steve B]

This one has a tiny wrinkle/crease between the edge and border about halfway up the left side.
When I asked about the grade a few years ago, that and a tiny flake of paper loss on the top right corner - tiny, like if the card had typical 4 corner wear it would have more missing - was all that kept it from a much better grade.

[bobbyw8469]

That is the best looking '2' I have ever seen. Downright criminal.

[Scocs]

God bless. That’s why I acquired it and it didn’t set me back $25K!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nineunder71

IMO, a wrinkle does not go through to the other side, whereas a crease can be seen on both sides of the card. Yes, a wrinkle is better than a crease, but I’m not sure how it effects “grading”

Good Luck

+1.
Generally speaking, if a crease or wrinkle is at the same place on a card, then the wrinkle should deduct less, imo.

And a classic case of some spider wrinkling.


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[Scocs]

Spider Wrinkling:

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Scocs

Spider Wrinkling:

absurd grade...

[Scocs]

Leon,

The Paige is like one of those lenticular 3-D cards: 70% of the time, if you hold the card a certain way, it looks like a “4”; when you tilt at certain angles, 30% of the time you’re like, wow, there’s a lot of spider wrinkles…guess it really is a “1.”

Getting back to the OP, wrinkles are slightly better than creases grading-wise, but you can find some low-cost but gorgeous cards with ridiculously high eye-appeal if seeking out the technically low-grade surface wrinkled-examples [see above 52B Mays].