What's with the NBA

[steve B]

Finall watched some NBA, Celtics game 7 against Miami.

A few thoughts
Basketball is now just soccer played with hands instead of feet. Soooo much acting!

I'd heard 3 pointers were a popular thing instead of a desperation thing. Confirmed. And maybe not in a good way. One of the miami plaers dribbled across a wide open area from left, across over the top of the key. Apparently looking for someone open in 3 point land. Could have had an easy 2.

Or maybe not. Despite hearing about how great players are now, the shooting seemed.... Pretty awful.

Still entertaining, but it just looked like bad basketball all around.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by steve B

Finall watched some NBA, Celtics game 7 against Miami.

A few thoughts
Basketball is now just soccer played with hands instead of feet. Soooo much acting!

I'd heard 3 pointers were a popular thing instead of a desperation thing. Confirmed. And maybe not in a good way. One of the miami plaers dribbled across a wide open area from left, across over the top of the key. Apparently looking for someone open in 3 point land. Could have had an easy 2.

Or maybe not. Despite hearing about how great players are now, the shooting seemed.... Pretty awful.

Still entertaining, but it just looked like bad basketball all around.

This is indeed how the game is played now. Passing up a layup for an open three, oscar-worthy flopping...

I am looking forward to the finals. I think these are the two teams that most deserve to be there.

[butchie_t]

I stopped watching that mess once Bird and Johnson retired.

I'll watch college but only the playoffs and that is it.

What they do on the court now is not basketball and has not been basketball for a number of years now.

YMMV

B.T.

[ClementeFanOh]

Steve B- you had me until you slammed soccer

1) Yes, NBA is trash. I would argue that the sport of basketball itself has
regressed while so many others, including soccer, have progressed. NBA
is essentially unwatchable and without charm or appeal of any kind.

2) Certainly agree that men's (important point) pro soccer is going through
a horrid wave of flopping. It's not "everybody", but it's too many bodies.
Most women are too proud to flop and it is largely absent from their
game. The best men players are wondrous, though.

3) Soccer is killing it in increase of popularity and participation, while bball
is scuffling. Can't stand that the final 3 minutes of a bball game takes 15
minutes and turns into a free throw contest. The final 3 minutes of a
soccer match takes...3 minutes

So, I'm onboard for your NBA take, but the major Euro soccer leagues are
a thing to behold. Trent King

[irv]

What ya all watching basketball and soccer for when the greatest/toughest game on the planet is currently underway in the name of the NHL playoffs.

[cardsagain74]

That game had the lowest expected point total of anything in the NBA all season, so it wasn't exactly a representation of modern-day shooting prowess.

Players are more skilled at making threes than they ever have been (because of how so much of the game revolves around them).

And yes, flopping is out of control. Measures have been implemented to try and stop it. They aren't working very well.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Steve B- you had me until you slammed soccer

1) Yes, NBA is trash. I would argue that the sport of basketball itself has
regressed while so many others, including soccer, have progressed. NBA
is essentially unwatchable and without charm or appeal of any kind.

2) Certainly agree that men's (important point) pro soccer is going through
a horrid wave of flopping. It's not "everybody", but it's too many bodies.
Most women are too proud to flop and it is largely absent from their
game. The best men players are wondrous, though.

3) Soccer is killing it in increase of popularity and participation, while bball
is scuffling. Can't stand that the final 3 minutes of a bball game takes 15
minutes and turns into a free throw contest. The final 3 minutes of a
soccer match takes...3 minutes

So, I'm onboard for your NBA take, but the major Euro soccer leagues are
a thing to behold. Trent King

I don't get to see much soccer. What I do get is highlights via FB.... Most of them I just don't even get. Like one guy slides at the ball while several feet from a defender. Defender goes down clutching a knee never having been touched? (can also be defender sliding and offensive player "getting taken down" ) Whistle, penalty, red card?! presumably for dangerous play. Was the ref even watching?

The last few minutes of an NBA game being freethrows was a thing even in the 80's. I pretty much expect it.
What was puzzling was how what seemed like shoving matches (Sumo Basketball combo anyone? ) resulted in no fouls, but putting an arm around a player as you run around him sort of like the swim move in FB is a foul.
And the double dribble/palming/travelling! seems standard now. Not that it got called much before.

Also puzzling was letting the ball roll around the floor until it got sort of close to the defenders.

[ClementeFanOh]

Steve- yessir, I am with you on NBA all the way. The problems have begun
to filter down to major college level now as well. Game takes FAR too long,
too many time outs, many players can't seem to shoot free throws (or dribble
without travelling). It used to have character, now it's meaningless.

Trent King

[Touch'EmAll]

I liked how Magic Johnson tried to purposely not argue with the refs. He felt he could get on their good side by not being a pain in the a** and question and flail over every foul. Getting of the refs good side meant good chance for fewer fouls called against him.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by irv

What ya all watching basketball and soccer for when the greatest/toughest game on the planet is currently underway in the name of the NHL playoffs.

Of course I'm biased as a Canadian.... but I truly believe if the majority of people were exposed to hockey, it would be the world's most popular sport, as it is arguably the hardest and most skilled team sport to play. Those who appreciate athletics at their highest level will love hockey. Of course, this popularity will never occur for a number of reasons.

I've seen reaction videos on Youtube where basketball and soccer fans watch hockey for the first time, and most are shocking by the skill and athleticism exhibited.

ESPN did a thorough study asking what sports are the hardest and most skilled to play.

The study featured a panel of experts from "a group made up of sports scientists from the United States Olympic Committee, of academicians who study the science of muscles and movement, of a star two-sport athlete, and of journalists who spend their professional lives watching athletes"

The analysis was based on 10 categories or skills, including:

ENDURANCE
STRENGTH
POWER
SPEED
AGILITY
FLEXIBILITY
NERVE
DURABILITY
HAND-EYE COORDINATION
ANALYTIC APTITUDE

HOCKEY was ranked the #1 team sport, scoring 71.750, second overall to boxing which scored 72.375.

Football was #3 with 68.375
Basketball was #4 with 67.875

https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/sportSkills


.... there was also a second study released in the spring I believe from a group that does unbiased studies, and they came to the same conclusion and rankings (can't remember the name of the organization or find the link to the article)

[ClementeFanOh]

Brent- I am a big admirer of hockey, incredible sport. Hockey and soccer
share a vital truth- if your team has a goalie who is standing on his head,
it can take you a long way Trent King

[frankbmd]

Game 1 of the NBA finals was a fine exhibit of the modern game.

A. The offense plays ring around the rosy (the three point line).

B. The 3 point shots were converted 42% of the time (2 point shots about 46%).

C. Three point shots were roughly 50% of the total attempts and accounted for over 50% of the total points scored.

D. Nearly everyone who crossed the line looked for the open man at the arc before considering a measly two point shot.

E. Contested rebounds on missed three pointers are rare.

F. Three seconds in the lane on offense is virtually never called.

G. There a number of credible three point shooters over 7 feet tall.

H. The increased shooting success behind the arc is indeed impressive, but only slightly more exciting than watching someone make free throws.


There is a solution though to make the game more interesting.


Eliminate the three point shot completely

[tiger8mush]

I can't get past the traveling

[howard38]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Brent- I am a big admirer of hockey, incredible sport. Hockey and soccer
share a vital truth- if your team has a goalie who is standing on his head,
it can take you a long way Trent King

As a Rangers fan I endorse this message.

[Snapolit1]

Old men complaining about basketball as unwatchable. A time honored tradition.

NBA has never been more popular. Worldwide. Off the charts level of interest.

[ClementeFanOh]

Steve N- any value to the complaint actually being true? Trent King

[irv]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Of course I'm biased as a Canadian.... but I truly believe if the majority of people were exposed to hockey, it would be the world's most popular sport, as it is arguably the hardest and most skilled team sport to play. Those who appreciate athletics at their highest level will love hockey. Of course, this popularity will never occur for a number of reasons.

I've seen reaction videos on Youtube where basketball and soccer fans watch hockey for the first time, and most are shocking by the skill and athleticism exhibited.

ESPN did a thorough study asking what sports are the hardest and most skilled to play.

The study featured a panel of experts from "a group made up of sports scientists from the United States Olympic Committee, of academicians who study the science of muscles and movement, of a star two-sport athlete, and of journalists who spend their professional lives watching athletes"

The analysis was based on 10 categories or skills, including:

ENDURANCE
STRENGTH
POWER
SPEED
AGILITY
FLEXIBILITY
NERVE
DURABILITY
HAND-EYE COORDINATION
ANALYTIC APTITUDE

HOCKEY was ranked the #1 team sport, scoring 71.750, second overall to boxing which scored 72.375.

Football was #3 with 68.375
Basketball was #4 with 67.875

https://www.espn.com/espn/page2/sportSkills


.... there was also a second study released in the spring I believe from a group that does unbiased studies, and they came to the same conclusion and rankings (can't remember the name of the organization or find the link to the article)

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Steve N- any value to the complaint actually being true? Trent King

It's a different game played today than what I watched growing up. I'm not in love with it, and basketball was never my sport, but my boys and nephews love it. As do a lot of other people apparently. I'm amazed at the level of international interest. If there is one sport I could buy stock in it would undoubtedly be the NBA.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

If there is one sport I could buy stock in it would undoubtedly be the NBA.

I agree, Steve. It's hard to understate the popularity worldwide.

[BobC]

It doesn't require a 100 yard long field, a baseball diamond, or an ice rink. You don't need gloves, helmets, pads, skates, or any other special equipment other than a ball and a hoop. You can play in a gym on a wood floor, outside on a paved parking lot, playground, or driveway. Heck, you can even play on a bare dirt lot if need be. And you don't need teams to play. You can just as easily play 1-on-1 as 5-on-5. Probably a huge reason why kids in many countries, especially third world countries, are choosing to play. Kind of along the same lines as soccer where you just need a ball and to fashion some kind of goal. That is a huge reason why sports such as basketball and soccer are so big worldwide, and others not so much.

[tschock]

Uh, you don't need a 100 yard field to 'play' football either. Likewise a baseball diamond. Otherwise you need a full court for a basketball comparison. You need 2 items for basketball, 1 for football, and 2/3 for baseball. Hockey's a different story (needing special conditions like ice unless you are playing roller hockey, also skates and a stick and a ball or puck).

The key to basketball is it can be played without anyone else AND it can be played on most any kind of surface. Also basketball can be played as an individual sport when learning/training how to play. The other's cannot, at least as easily.

[BobbyStrawberry]

A fun "modern NBA" moment from last night's game, for those who might have missed it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ovf...ab_channel=NBA

[BobC]

Originally Posted by tschock

Uh, you don't need a 100 yard field to 'play' football either. Likewise a baseball diamond. Otherwise you need a full court for a basketball comparison. You need 2 items for basketball, 1 for football, and 2/3 for baseball. Hockey's a different story (needing special conditions like ice unless you are playing roller hockey, also skates and a stick and a ball or puck).

The key to basketball is it can be played without anyone else AND it can be played on most any kind of surface. Also basketball can be played as an individual sport when learning/training how to play. The other's cannot, at least as easily.

The idea is you need a lot more room (and people) for baseball and football, and an ice rink for hockey. The basketball hoop doesn't need much room and area to play. Plus you can play half court, inside or outside. You're basically repeating what I was saying about how it is easier for kids to play basketball than the other mentioned sports. So I assume you agree with my point that I made in the first place about basketball's worldwide popularity possibly being a function of the ease to get a game going and play?

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by BobC

The idea is you need a lot more room (and people) for baseball and football, and an ice rink for hockey. The basketball hoop doesn't need much room and area to play. Plus you can play half court, inside or outside. You're basically repeating what I was saying about how it is easier for kids to play basketball than the other mentioned sports. So I assume you agree with my point that I made in the first place about basketball's worldwide popularity possibly being a function of the ease to get a game going and play?

Can't the same argument be used for soccer. Kids are kicking their balls globally.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Can't the same argument be used for soccer. Kids are kicking their balls globally.

Absolutely right Frank, and exactly why soccer (futbol/football to the rest of the world), is likely the most popular sport on the planet in terms of the total number of people that are diehard fans. It is also the one premier sport in the world where the most renowned league(s) on the planet is NOT based in/out of the U.S.