Why Aren't any Coaches in the Hall?

[clydepepper]

IN MY OPINION:

Ron Washington is a GREAT infield coach - he was a journeyman player & a successful manager.

Davey Lopes has been a GREAT baserunning coach - he was an all-star as a player.

Johnny Sain was a GREAT pitching coach- and an all-star pitcher.


These are just three that come to mind who might be in consideration...if there was such a consideration.


So, the question is: Is there anyone you can think of who would be worthy of such an honor based, at least, primarily, on his role as a coach?



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[Peter_Spaeth]

Dave Duncan.

[D. Bergin]

Don Zimmer

Leo Mazzone

[commishbob]

Frank Crosetti

[John1941]

Leo Mazzone and Frank Crosetti.

[brian1961]

I will wholeheartedly second the nomination of Johhny Sain as a pitching coach. He was so successful and innovative, but he wanted to rule the pitchers' roost; the manager simply had to leave his pitchers alone. If I recall correctly, that was the reason he only lasted for a very few years with each team he coached. However, his pitchers loved him and trusted him. The list of decent or good pitchers whom Johnny turned into 20-game winners, or who had their best years under Sain is nothing short of phenomenal. --- Brian Powell

[D. Bergin]

If you want to pick somebody based on overall contributions.

Mel Stottlemyre: Maybe one of the more under the radar Yankee pitchers in history, due to him having his best years during one of the Yankees dry spells.

Piled up 40 WAR in only about 10 years. Had a lifetime 2.97 ERA and the same amount of career shutouts as Sandy Koufax (40).

Was the pitching coach for the young New York Mets staffs of the 80's, including the 1986 team, and then for several of the Yankees World Series winning teams.

Eventually quit the Yankees after several run-ins with Mr. Steinbrenner.

Maybe not a HOF'er for either one of those careers, but should be given consideration based on his overall baseball contributions.

[nolemmings]

George Bamberger.

[KCRfan1]

Charlie Lau hitting coach

[JollyElm]

Richard Farnsworth.

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[earlywynnfan]

Mel Harder

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Richard Farnsworth.

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Good Call!


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[Mark17]

Originally Posted by brian1961

I will wholeheartedly second the nomination of Johhny Sain as a pitching coach. He was so successful and innovative, but he wanted to rule the pitchers' roost; the manager simply had to leave his pitchers alone. If I recall correctly, that was the reason he only lasted for a very few years with each team he coached. However, his pitchers loved him and trusted him. The list of decent or good pitchers whom Johnny turned into 20-game winners, or who had their best years under Sain is nothing short of phenomenal. --- Brian Powell

+1
His teams won pennants in '61, '62, '63 (Yankees), '65 (Twins), and '68 (Tigers)

Sain then joined the White Sox in the middle of September, 1970. The Sox finished 50 games under .500 that year. Next year they were almost .500, and in 1972 the Sox were 20 games above .500.

Not all due to Sain, but his record of success, no matter what team or talent he worked with, is quite impressive. And yes, his pitchers loved him.

Kaat, in his autobiography, made that clear. The Sox got Kaat in late 1973, and Jim went 4-1 for them to finish that year, then, with Sain, was a 20 game winner each of the next 2 years. Significant because Kaat only had one other 20 win season in his HOF career, in 1966. His pitching coach that year? Johnny Sain.