Piedmont pack expert needed

[chriskim]

What is the chance this 12 count Piedmont pack is unopened? It was advertised as an unopened pack but from my understanding, 12 count Piedmont pack came with a light brownish transparent rice paper wrapper on the outside. Also, those kind of packs has no seal on the bottom and the top side have a tax stamp "sealed" but it wasn't really glued onto the top side at all. With that said, the inner slide box could easily slide out without damaging the tax stamp.

Where is Jon Canfield?

[rdwyer]

Only 10 count packs had baseball related tobacco cards. An unopened 12 count wouldn't have much value other than for a display piece. If you don't have any of the real ones, this would be ok to have.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Only 10 count packs had baseball related tobacco cards. An unopened 12 count wouldn't have much value other than for a display piece. If you don't have any of the real ones, this would be ok to have.

Richard, I thought there was at least two claims of T206's that were pulled from a 12 count Piedmont pack.

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Richard, I thought there was at least two claims of T206's that were pulled from a 12 count Piedmont pack.

+1 That's what I read as well.

[canjond]

What we know is that cards were packaged with 10 count packs. Factory records indicated so. There's nothing that has come to light to show that cards were also packaged with 12 count packs which weren’t available until years later, and so absent some sort of proof that T206s were packaged well into the late teens, I don't believe it to be the case.

The pack pictured above was produced well after the T206-era. I can't see the exact date unless I see the series number on the pack, but it is not period correct.

[chriskim]

Found this write up again from REA:


This twelve-cigarette pack style is believed by tobacco pack collectors to have been issued years later, beginning in 1917. Either 1) this is not accurate, and twelve-cigarette Piedmont packs of this style were issued earlier than 1917; 2) T206s were in some instances inserted into packs in later years after 1911; or 3) the pack was somehow expertly tampered with and the card was somehow inserted in to it and resealed. We are certain that the consignor opened this pack and found the card. We even have pictures of the pack being opened. We have checked the card and found that it is a "Factory 25" card, which is the same as the factory of the packaging. It would be easy to say that the pack must have been tampered with, and we are presenting this as a possibility, but we are then left with the question of why anyone would put a virtually perfect T206 into a Piedmont cigarettes pack and sell it, with no claim that there is a T206 in the pack, and with the knowledge that the pack would probably never be opened. That would have to be the case here.


^^^ The last sentence just make so much sense. Skillfully inserted some nice looking T206s inside those piedmont packs as a prank?