PWCC Exceptional/SGC 6.5 52 Topps card ..... or not

[Peter_Spaeth]

A cautionary tale, read the description.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23429700144...p2047675.l2557

[swarmee]

Probably pressed in a screwdown holder. But glad to see the companies are cracking down on trimming. Wonder who the original submitter through PWCC was?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Probably pressed in a screwdown holder. But glad to see the companies are cracking down on trimming. Wonder who the original submitter through PWCC was?

I had the same thought. All submitters are not equal it seems.

[mrreality68]

Hopefully his losses were manageable for him

The curious question for me is how many of these cards are out there

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

The curious question for me is how many of these cards are out there

If you count the ones that had stains removed by Dick Towle, RIP, you're probably in the hundreds of thousands. Modern cards with scratches buffed out? Add some more.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A cautionary tale, read the description.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23429700144...p2047675.l2557

LOL, it was PWWC Certified, wasn't that one of the tell tale signs there is something wrong with the card?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by bnorth

LOL, it was PWWC Certified, wasn't that one of the tell tale signs there is something wrong with the card?

From what I read on BO, yes...more times than not it is a card PWCC had some ownership of. There were lots of examples of cards SGC slabbed for PWCC that were clearly demonstrated as having been altered. PSA was not the only one doing the no look grading for him.

It seems to be safe to assume there are a lot of cards like this on the market. I recall reading on a thread here by someone who was not a fan of grading that the only purpose TPG served was to give legitimacy to card doctors.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

From what I read on BO, yes...more times than not it is a card PWCC had some ownership of. There were lots of examples of cards SGC slabbed for PWCC that were clearly demonstrated as having been altered. PSA was not the only one doing the no look grading for him.

It seems to be safe to assume there are a lot of cards like this on the market. I recall reading on a thread here by someone who was not a fan of grading that the only purpose TPG served was to give legitimacy to card doctors.

To Me The Most Import Purpose TPG’s Serve, PSA and SGC is liquidity of their resale value.

That being said I’m a purest and will not buy a Altered Card in a Holder to me that means trimmed, bleached, or recolored.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A cautionary tale, read the description.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23429700144...p2047675.l2557

Peter this is such a Crock Of S&It

Authentic: Here's the true background story. I purchased this card back in January 2019 on Ebay in a PWCC auction. The card was slabbed in an SGC holder and graded EX-NM+ 6.5 as the scan shows above. PWCC also certified the card as having "EXCEPTIONAL eye appeal for the professional grade". Since my 1952 Topps set is all PSA graded, I felt confident in purchasing the card and sending it in to PSA to cross over so as to be consistent with the PSA Graded 1952 Topps set I am assembling. To my shock and dismay, the card came back as altered. I sent it into PSA a second time, hoping it was an oversight or the grader was having a bad day. The card came back as altered again. Left with few alternatives, I recently decided to send it back to SGC in the hope that they would restore it to the EX-NM+ 6.5 in which it originally came. Unfortunately, it came back as A (Authentic) as the current picture shows. SGC too has now decided this time that the card was altered. So, bottom line, it's my loss. If you would like to purchase this card knowing the history for likely a fraction of what I paid for it, here is your opportunity.
Buyer to add $10 for USPS shipping and insurance.

To bad you crack out you own it. This story is ridiculous, I believe none of it. See the top right dip in the sgc A slab you fool! You did something to it. Nah Dude you’re full of shit.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by swarmee

If you count the ones that had stains removed by Dick Towle, RIP, you're probably in the hundreds of thousands. Modern cards with scratches buffed out? Add some more.

Some things we just cant let die.

Figuratively and literally

[Wanaselja]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Peter this is such a Crock Of S&It

Authentic: Here's the true background story. I purchased this card back in January 2019 on Ebay in a PWCC auction. The card was slabbed in an SGC holder and graded EX-NM+ 6.5 as the scan shows above. PWCC also certified the card as having "EXCEPTIONAL eye appeal for the professional grade". Since my 1952 Topps set is all PSA graded, I felt confident in purchasing the card and sending it in to PSA to cross over so as to be consistent with the PSA Graded 1952 Topps set I am assembling. To my shock and dismay, the card came back as altered. I sent it into PSA a second time, hoping it was an oversight or the grader was having a bad day. The card came back as altered again. Left with few alternatives, I recently decided to send it back to SGC in the hope that they would restore it to the EX-NM+ 6.5 in which it originally came. Unfortunately, it came back as A (Authentic) as the current picture shows. SGC too has now decided this time that the card was altered. So, bottom line, it's my loss. If you would like to purchase this card knowing the history for likely a fraction of what I paid for it, here is your opportunity.
Buyer to add $10 for USPS shipping and insurance.

To bad you crack out you own it. This story is ridiculous, I believe none of it. See the top right dip in the sgc A slab you fool! You did something to it. Nah Dude you’re full of shit.

So the entire listing and story was fabricated to make a few extra bucks? Also, the “dip” exists in both.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

That being said I’m a purest and will not buy a Altered Card in a Holder to me that means trimmed, bleached, or recolored.

I hear ya but I suspect despite our best efforts we all likely have altered cards in slabs with numerical grades in our collections.

[jingram058]

To whoever has the card: Just crack the dang thing at this point, count your or whoever's loss, and enjoy it alongside the other 52 Topps in your collection. Sometimes you just have to LTSG.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Wanaselja

So the entire listing and story was fabricated to make a few extra bucks? Also, the “dip” exists in both.

Maybe not. All I can say is cracking a card out that was bought in PWCC Auction is pretty stupid as is. Is he a fool or a crook who knows either way he is dumb.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bnorth

LOL, it was PWWC Certified, wasn't that one of the tell tale signs there is something wrong with the card?

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

From what I read on BO, yes...more times than not it is a card PWCC had some ownership of. There were lots of examples of cards SGC slabbed for PWCC that were clearly demonstrated as having been altered. PSA was not the only one doing the no look grading for him.

It seems to be safe to assume there are a lot of cards like this on the market. I recall reading on a thread here by someone who was not a fan of grading that the only purpose TPG served was to give legitimacy to card doctors.

Here come the conspiracy theories again...

All that PWCC "Exceptional" sticker means is that the card is well centered. Which it clearly is. But you guys could weave a tent from an inch of yarn. So, keep on keeping on.

[Snowman]

I'd wager good money that card isn't even altered to begin with. I've sent in quite a few 52 Topps cards over the past several months to PSA and SGC. Commons and HOFers. Cards that I know have not been altered. Every single 1952 Topps card with a diamond cut is now getting flagged as "Altered" by the newer graders at both SGC and PSA. It's been a consistent pattern. They don't even measure the cards. The edges are not sharp or oxidated, no odd striation patterns in the card stock either. These newer graders have NO IDEA what they're doing. I have cards that even measure LARGER than spec come back as "Evidence of Trimming" because they are diamond cut. 1/32" too large. They're just incompetent and inexperienced. I would have bought that Yogi card in a heartbeat if I had seen the listing in time. I even cracked a nice 52 Topps card in a PSA holder that was recently graded because I felt it was way undergraded. So I sent it to SGC, came back "trimmed". Sent back to PSA, same thing. Same story as this dude. Did not buy it from PWCC either. The card is not trimmed. It's just slightly diamond cut.

[icurnmedic]

If you break any card out of the slab you are taking risk. My opine is This guy was hoping for a bump because of the “ sticker”.
Obviously the top edge is suspect, but again,why break it out?
And no I don’t believe all cards handled by PWCC have been altered. That’s absurd, as you have folks like many of us on this board who send them consignments to save the hassle of dealing with eBay.
I really believe I net more by sending to probstein and paying the fees than just selling myself. $.02

[MattyC]

Many moons ago, cards I sold on various BST boards showed up with eye appeal stickers at PWCC— I know for sure those cards were not doctored. So anyone who says all cards with PWCC stickers are altered is really painting with an overly broad brush and besmirching some really nice cards out there. No need to lump everything together.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Here come the conspiracy theories again...

All that PWCC "Exceptional" sticker means is that the card is well centered. Which it clearly is. But you guys could weave a tent from an inch of yarn. So, keep on keeping on.

Oh what a joy to have the Net54 contrarian back.

I think your fanboy status might be getting in the way of facts regarding PWCC but then again something always causes you to present your hopes or theories as fact.

Actually the eye appeal stickers were primarily found on Brent's personal submissions as was demonstrated repeatedly on the PWCC BO thread.

[parkplace33]

When I buy a card, I buy the card, not a story.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Oh what a joy to have the Net54 contrarian back.

I think your fanboy status might be getting in the way of facts regarding PWCC but then again something always causes you to present your hopes or theories as fact.

Actually the eye appeal stickers were primarily found on Brent's personal submissions as was demonstrated repeatedly on the PWCC BO thread.

If you wouldn't quote his posts many wouldn't have to see his silly posts as they already have him on ignore.

[Exhibitman]

That's a good observation; some threads, I can't see half the posts because of the ignore function. It is a very good blood pressure manager.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by bnorth

If you wouldn't quote his posts many wouldn't have to see his silly posts as they already have him on ignore.

LOL. Please accept my apologies. I understand and it will not happen again. I really should join all of you. Aside from the few posts he made explaining AI and how it does not fit into grading, he has provided nothing here. I would have to assume, now, that 75% of the AI info is Once Upon A Time BS.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by icurnmedic

If you break any card out of the slab you are taking risk. My opine is This guy was hoping for a bump because of the “ sticker”.
Obviously the top edge is suspect, but again,why break it out?
And no I don’t believe all cards handled by PWCC have been altered. That’s absurd, as you have folks like many of us on this board who send them consignments to save the hassle of dealing with eBay.
I really believe I net more by sending to probstein and paying the fees than just selling myself. $.02

Their worst enemy has never suggested all cards handled or stickered by PWCC are altered. The problem is, some are given who they deal with, and how do you know which ones are and which ones aren't.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Their worst enemy has never suggested all cards handled or stickered by PWCC are altered. The problem is, some are given who they deal with, and how do you know which ones are and which ones aren't.

Not just who they deal with from what I read. Was more than suggested that Brent was up to his own degree of card altering.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Not just who they deal with from what I read. Was more than suggested that Brent was up to his own degree of card altering.

One man's card altering is another man's conserving assets.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One man's card altering is another man's conserving assets.

Perspective is everything.