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[Yoda]

I often speculate about what-if scenarios and then see if any of these come to fruition. One of these centers around Zion W. and what would happen to his card prices if, heaven forbid, he was running down the street, tripped over his you-know-what, hit his head on the pavement and tragically died. I was trying to think of anything analogous in baseball. Roy Chapman? Naw.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jesus. WTF. You can't have meant to post this.

[soxinseven]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jesus. WTF. You can't have meant to post this.

Peter, I'm shaking my head also.

[marzoumanian]

Where's Leon when you need him?!? Peace.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Yoda

heaven forbid, he was running down the street, tripped over his you-know-what,

Uhhhh, his shoelaces?

[jcmtiger]

?????????

[egri]

Isn't this the same poster who compared Goldin to Nazis?

[icurnmedic]

Not a cool post , whatsoever!

[Yankees1964]

C'mon, that's pretty classless.

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[HOF Auto Rookies]

What did I just read

[JollyElm]

What in the highness of heck does any of this mean????????? Asking for a friend everyone on the site.

[Klrdds]

I don't want to get in to a big back and forth but I think this is a dumb ass statement from the OP . I wouldn't expect this from someone with almost 900 posts .
Sorry if this is too blunt .

[jingram058]

Jeez, I thought I was the drama king.

[Jcfowler6]

We all are now dumber for reading this.


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[Casey2296]

Sometimes I wonder why we park in a driveway and drive in a parkway...

[BRoberts]

This is secondary, but it's Ray Chapman, not Roy. As for the overall post, you're a moron.

[Shoeless Moe]

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[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

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Nice very nice

[maniac_73]

The Nazi post I thought may have been a second of thoughtlessness(not excusing it) but this post confirms that something isnt right with this poster

[Leon]

So the OP is a hobby friend of mine (hi John) and a lot of folks on the board. This board might not be here without him. John started the forum back in the early days...somewhere around 97 or so. I hopped on in around '98. There are lots of members still here from those days. John is a good guy but like me, sometimes he says things without thought of repercussions. But if you ever meet him you won't meet a nicer guy.

Nice printer job on this one.

[Yoda]

Everyone, I am that moron. I have had a very bad two weeks and was trying to find a little humor in something. Clearly, what I wrote was classless and I apologize.
I still do wonder what happens to a star's card values when they have have a life threatening injury. Perhaps Tiger Woods is the answer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

To repeat, Jesus. WTF. Imagining someone's tragic death is funny? Whatever is going on with you John, I hope you get help.

[molenick]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I have had a very bad two weeks and was trying to find a little humor in something.

No. Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Everyone, I am that moron. I have had a very bad two weeks and was trying to find a little humor in something. Clearly, what I wrote was classless and I apologize.
I still do wonder what happens to a star's card values when they have have a life threatening injury. Perhaps Tiger Woods is the answer.

Hope things get better soon for you. I have made posts I thought was funny also and had people not find it funny. Only difference is Leon didn't defend me he was one of the ones calling names.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I often speculate about what-if scenarios and then see if any of these come to fruition. One of these centers around Zion W. and what would happen to his card prices if, heaven forbid, he was running down the street, tripped over his you-know-what, hit his head on the pavement and tragically died. I was trying to think of anything analogous in baseball. Roy Chapman? Naw.

I think I understand where you might have been going with this but yeah it came out wrong. Some things should never be posted as comfortably as many of us do. We can forget that this crap is up here forever as opposed to a casual chat over dinner.

I do not know John...never met him but I think he might have been trying to be funny by exaggerating a scenario to ask a more on topic question of what would happen to card prices of a huge star who happened to leave the sport very prematurely for whatever reason.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

To have a take of the post, it would be a buying frenzy for the first 24hrs. Prices will settle but still be higher

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I've wondered the same thing, but from an academic standpoint, not a humor standpoint. A better example than Chapman might be guys like Agajian or Hubbs, who still command a small premium to this day.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

I think he might have been trying to be funny by exaggerating a scenario to ask a more on topic question of what would happen to card prices of a huge star who happened to leave the sport very prematurely for whatever reason.

Trying to salvage a conversation out of this........................

For Clemente, who already had his 3,000 hits and place in the HOF assurred, the way he died adds to his popularity as a humanitarian and the value of his life.

For an emerging star like Lyman Bostock, I think it significantly hinders the value of his cards, as he didn't get the chance to make the most of his talent.

In 526 games and 2004 AB, Bostock hit .311, with 624 H, 305 R, 250 RBI, and 48 SB.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I've wondered the same thing, but from an academic standpoint, not a humor standpoint. A better example than Chapman might be guys like Agajian or Hubbs, who still command a small premium to this day.

Agganis you mean?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Trying to salvage a conversation out of this........................

For Clemente, who already had his 3,000 hits and place in the HOF assurred, the way he died adds to his popularity as a humanitarian and the value of his life.

For an emerging star like Lyman Bostock, I think it significantly hinders the value of his cards, as he didn't get the chance to make the most of his talent.

In 526 games and 2004 AB, Bostock hit .311, with 624 H, 305 R, 250 RBI, and 48 SB.

Agree. Generally speaking, guys whose careers are cut very short by tragedy or injury are not going to get credit for their potential.

[Aaron Seefeldt]

John, I hope you are feeling better. I know the last time we talked you mentioned health issues and I just want you to know that my thoughts and prayers are with you.

Now let's go have a steak dinner!

[Aaron Seefeldt]

Perhaps Addie Joss is/was a better example - dying at 31 of meningitis?

[BobC]

Or maybe Thurman Munson?

[nolemmings]

Lyman Bostock.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobC

Or maybe Thurman Munson?

Interesting case. I suspect dying young may have done more to bolster his legendary status than another 5-6 declining playing years would have.

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agganis you mean?

.I think he meant Agajanian , the place kicker....but in this thread , who the **** knows...

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

.I think he meant Agajanian , the place kicker....but in this thread , who the **** knows...

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Oh. Well in that case you could certainly add Harry Agganis to the list, tragically a perfect example of a young man taken very early.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by BobC

Or maybe Thurman Munson?

Munson is a great example, as he was nearing a HOF career. I would guess his cards would be worth more had he not died, had a few more productive years, and made it into the Hall.

When a player dies, all of his future potential becomes nothing. I think the poignant story of the early death can sometimes offset this (Brian Piccolo's cards are probably more popular because of his death and the movie made about him) but more often not.

Just my opinion, but I think staying alive and getting the fullest measure out of his potential generally helps the value of a star players' cards the most.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Munson is a great example, as he was nearing a HOF career. I would guess his cards would be worth more had he not died, had a few more productive years, and made it into the Hall.

When a player dies, all of his future potential becomes nothing. I think the poignant story of the early death can sometimes offset this (Brian Piccolo's cards are probably more popular because of his death and the movie made about him) but more often not.

Just my opinion, but I think staying alive and getting the fullest measure out of his potential generally helps the value of a star players' cards the most.

I think Munson is right on the fence. I've seen it argued well that he already was declining and would not have done much for his HOF chances had he continued on that path for a few more years in Cleveland.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think Munson is right on the fence. I've seen it argued well that he already was declining and would not have done much for his HOF chances had he continued on that path for a few more years in Cleveland.

His power fell off his last 2 years but he still hit .297 (on 617 AB) and .288 (382 AB.) So that is still pretty productive.

[frankbmd]

Is the posthumous T206 All-Star team (top 12 or 22) thread relevant here?

Death is inevitable, sooner or later. Trust me, I’m a doctor.

I didn’t think Yoda’s OP was a death wish for Zion, just a less than woke example.

It may have been a woke example though, I dunno.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agganis you mean?

yeah, sorry the Golden Greek, yes. Weird fact his successor at QB at BU followed him to the Majors and died young (23) in a plane crash Tom Gastall. No card that I'm aware of but he did play a little in the Majors.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

His power fell off his last 2 years but he still hit .297 (on 617 AB) and .288 (382 AB.) So that is still pretty productive.

9 total HR for the two seasons though. But who knows, he wasn't so old he couldn't have had a bit of a resurgence. Just a horrible tragedy.

[Jcosta19]

It was a bit before modern shiny stuff really took off but I'm sure someone could track what happened to Jose Fernandez prices, that tragedy still makes me sick to think about.

He was a real super star in the making and so young - similar to Zion (although not on the same level).

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

yeah, sorry the Golden Greek, yes. Weird fact his successor at QB at BU followed him to the Majors and died young in a plane crash Tom Gastall. No card that I'm aware of but he did play a little in the Majors.

From what I've read Agganis' death might have been avoided with better medical care. Awful story. Always makes me think of the A.E. Housman poem.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

9 total HR for the two seasons though. But who knows, he wasn't so old he couldn't have had a bit of a resurgence.

I'm thinking his excellent defense and close to .300 average for a few more years would have to help him. He also hit .320 with 7 RBI in the 1978 World Series (and .278 with a HR in the Championship Series.) That adds, not subtracts.

Clemente's death was inspirational and elevated him. The Bostock, Agganis, Piccolo, and Hubbs deaths were tragic, and I think the pathos and their unrealized potential balance against each other somewhat.

But Munson's death was caused by him flying a plane that was more powerful than he was used to.... and not to be too judgemental of a guy who lost his life, he died because he made a really bad decision. So his early death adds nothing in my opinion, but subtracts a lot.

[Yoda]

Leon, thank you. I am retiring to my mouse hole and quietly remove my foot from my mouth. Tomorrow promises to be a better day.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I'm thinking his excellent defense and close to .300 average for a few more years would have to help him. He also hit .320 with 7 RBI in the 1978 World Series (and .278 with a HR in the Championship Series.) That adds, not subtracts.

Clemente's death was inspirational and elevated him. The Bostock, Agganis, Piccolo, and Hubbs deaths were tragic, and I think the pathos and their unrealized potential balance against each other somewhat.

But Munson's death was caused by him flying a plane that was more powerful than he was used to.... and not to be too judgemental of a guy who lost his life, he died because he made a really bad decision. So his early death adds nothing in my opinion, but subtracts a lot.

Fair enough. Do you think he should be in the Hall?

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agree. Generally speaking, guys whose careers are cut very short by tragedy or injury are not going to get credit for their potential.

Who was the young pitcher for the Florida Marlins that died in a boat crash? I think he is a prime example.

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[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Fair enough. Do you think he should be in the Hall?

Not before Freehan.... and probably not at all.