Slab/Authentication of multiple signatures on paper

[Filthy]

Looking to Net54 for opinions as I’m somewhat torn on what to do. A little out of my element, as I typically collect much more modern cards. I’ve got a small autograph book, that has multiple signatures on it. 6-10 signatures on a small page that is maybe 5x7. I have no worries about the authenticity as this was my grandfathers book, that has been in my family for almost 80 years. After cleaning out my grandmothers house, it was recently “re-discovered”
and I took possession of it. I’m looking for preservation, while also wouldn’t mind it being authenticated by a reputable company. Although there are many autographs in the book, there are two pages that I would like to tear out of the book, and get encapsulated individually. (PSA?). Is it a bad idea to remove these two pages? From a value standpoint? Would PSA authenticate it as one piece? Or will they charge me for each individual signature? (Approx 6-10 signatures on each page)Any other recommendations? I obviously don’t want to encapsulate the entire book, but these two pages I think would serve well in a slab. Recommendations? Suggestions?


I apologize, as this should have been posted in the autographs forum. (Maybe Admin can move it?) thanks

[todeen]

Individual autos always bring more money than a group, so you would be increasing value by removing from auto book. The only thing you would ruin with the book is your sentimental attachment to it. Unless of course it is a special limited edition book, but I'm assuming you mean it's made up of blank pages to collect autos. Further, when you submit a group signed page, you generally pay for certain signatures. For example, I submitted a Phil Athletics album page that included Connie Mack. There was no other major auto. So I only paid to authenticate him. If there had been other more important signatures, I could have paid for those to be authenticated also.

However, I don't know how authentication of a team signed ball.

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[doug.goodman]

Don't do it!

[todeen]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Don't do it!

I guess you also asked for recommendations. I generally leave items in their original state, if I can.

Is this an auto book that can be untied, in order to remove pages? Or do you need to cut out the pages you want to submit?

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[Filthy]

Originally Posted by todeen

Individual autos always bring more money than a group, so you would be increasing value by removing from auto book.

That’s the thing, they aren’t individual signatures. There are several signatures on each page. (I do believe they are all from the same team.) So I would want to encapsulate the entire page, as obviously Im not going to cut out individual signatures. There are other signatures throughout the book, so the other pages aren’t all blank. But this was my grandfathers, and there seems to also be signatures of friends of his from high school, and possibly some local personalities. So although authentic.....the only thing I have identified as valuable are the two pages I want to get encapsulated.

Originally Posted by todeen

Further, when you submit a group signed page, you generally pay for certain signatures. For example, I submitted a Phil Athletics album page that included Connie Mack. There was no other major auto. So I only paid to authenticate him. If there had been other more important signatures, I could have paid for those to be authenticated also.

Thank you, as this is also what I am trying to research. There are a few names that I recognize, so I would assume I would pay for those names, but the rest I’m not sure. They are not recognize able to me, but in the grand scheme of things, possibly they are rare? Is there a list of names, or is that something I would have to get in contact with PSA for?

Originally Posted by todeen

I guess you also asked for recommendations. I generally leave items in their original state, if I can.

Is this an auto book that can be untied, in order to remove pages? Or do you need to cut out the pages you want to submit?

Thanks. This book is of the small spiral variety. So I would have to cut out the two pages being discussed.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Filthy

So although authentic.....the only thing I have identified as valuable are the two pages I want to get encapsulated.

There are a few names that I recognize, so I would assume I would pay for those names, but the rest I’m not sure. They are not recognize able to me, but in the grand scheme of things, possibly they are rare? Is there a list of names, or is that something I would have to get in contact with the TPA?

If they really are team signed pages mixed with high school friends, I would probably change my mind and remove the pages.

Yes, the PSA/DNA website, or JSA website, has a list of names including prices to authenticate.

Take a picture of each page you want to authenticate, and create a new thread under the Autos genre, and title it "who are these signatures?" You will be shocked at the level of knowledge on this board, as other members will help you identify signatures. Some members on this site might even tell you if they are authentic.

That might change your mind whether you need to pay for authentication and encapsulation. Doug Goodman, the other member who commented hates the idea of encapsulation and tells people to keep objects free. I suppose if you want to eventually sell them it might be worth it. But if you are wanting to keep them, then placing them in a top loader might be a better answer. You can also pay for authentication without encapsulation. That's always what I do, because then I can frame the autos without the burden of that stupid plastic thing. Instead, the TPA will place a sticker on the bottom corner or back of the auto, or give a letter of authentication if you pay for it.


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[Lordstan]

Perhaps, you might be better served by scanning the pages of the book and post them here. This will give everyone who is offering opinions a more complete idea of what we are talking about.
This question basically comes down yo the choice to preserve history or maximize value. Sometimes you can do both, which is, of ciurse, optimal. Unfortunately that is not always the case.
For myself, i lean toward preseving history. That being said, every case should be judged in its own. Like with most scrapbooks and autograph albums, this book's history is likely most valuable to your family. Whether or not that value is higher than the benefit the money would bring is really a decision only you can make.

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[tha-rock]

This is a good question and I asked a similar question here a few years ago with an expensive sheet I had that was signed front and back. Most folks on here encouraged me to keep it intact. If I separated the signatures I was going to lose a few signed on the opposite side. The most valuable signatures were Ruth and Lazzeri and they were too close together to separate into nice individual cuts.

I asked about the value of the item as a single piece and as separate signatures and was told that anyone who purchased the piece would likely only be concerned about the Ruth and Lazzeri signatures and would not be concerned about the other autographs. Two of the other important autographs were HOF umpire Bill McGowan, and 1920s Tiger star, Bob "Fats" Fothergill who died in 1938 at the age of 40 and is a very tough autograph to find. These were the only examples of McGowan or Fothergill I own and it seemed unreasonable to let those go "for free" if I sold the sheet and the buyer was only paying for Ruth and Lazzeri. I chose to cut the sheet and keep the autographs. The Ruth/ Lazzeri and Fothergill are now slabbed and McGowan and Goose Goslin will be in my next PSA submission. I also salvaged a few other cuts which wont be sent to PSA, but are notable signatures.

Each group of autographs presents it's own case for keeping intact or separation. Use your best judgement and whatever you decide will be right for you.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by tha-rock

This is a good question and I asked a similar question here a few years ago with an expensive sheet I had that was signed front and back. Most folks on here encouraged me to keep it intact. If I separated the signatures I was going to lose a few signed on the opposite side. The most valuable signatures were Ruth and Lazzeri and they were too close together to separate into nice individual cuts.



I asked about the value of the item as a single piece and as separate signatures and was told that anyone who purchased the piece would likely only be concerned about the Ruth and Lazzeri signatures and would not be concerned about the other autographs. Two of the other important autographs were HOF umpire Bill McGowan, and 1920s Tiger star, Bob "Fats" Fothergill who died in 1938 at the age of 40 and is a very tough autograph to find. These were the only examples of McGowan or Fothergill I own and it seemed unreasonable to let those go "for free" if I sold the sheet and the buyer was only paying for Ruth and Lazzeri. I chose to cut the sheet and keep the autographs. The Ruth/ Lazzeri and Fothergill are now slabbed and McGowan and Goose Goslin will be in my next PSA submission. I also salvaged a few other cuts which wont be sent to PSA, but are notable signatures.



Each group of autographs presents it's own case for keeping intact or separation. Use your best judgement and whatever you decide will be right for you.

Try to find his other post with pictures: two sheets, 1939 NY Yankees with Dimaggio, Gehrig, McCarthy, Gomez, and others. Beautiful! I'd keep them intact and slab the whole sheet. The Gehrig is a winner. Very clean. Just fine to separate from the album in my opinion.

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