How much of a leap are u willing to take

[GrayGhost]

Was just thinking of this.. Odd ? Everything
we buy like autographs and game used mainly comes with a leap if faith. Authentication only gives OPINIONS and we weren't there to see the item signed etc

How do you determine your comfortable "leap of faith" level? For me it is, a combo of good studying And a feeling that there are more reasons the item is good than bad.

[Shoeless Moe]

I view it like a civil law, not a criminal law.

Doesn't have to be beyond a reasonable doubt, just a preponderance of evidence.

[steve B]

For me, it's a bunch of things that generally have to come together. There are exceptions.

It's mostly "does the item make sense, and does the sale make sense at the price. "

This warmup jacket was barely shown in the preview for a local antique auction. Literally hung on a door next to the staff jackets.
Supposedly Ernie Lombardis, with the claim he was a friend of the consigning family.
It's pretty big, reversible, and heavy cloth/leather. Sadly it also looks like a name has been cut off the back.
I don't know much of anything about 40's ML warmup jackets, but haven't seen a reversible jacket with sewn logos from that era. So I took a chance on it. At a final price of just $100, which I think is mostly the condition and that likely nobody looked at it up close. Even if it's not Lombardis, I'm fairly confident it's a real Braves warmup from 1942 ish.


On the other hand, sometimes it's the circumstances of the sale, even when nothing else makes sense.
This ball was in a box of old baseballs at a flea market. If nothing else, it's a nice old minor league ball, and I'm in at the asked 50 cents. Especially with the way it's written on.
The guy told me that "that's like little league or something. I have some other autographed balls if you're interested" All the others were "signed" with a very worn magic marker.... I thought they were all very suspect.

But looking it ... It hits none of my usual ideas about what makes sense.
The player did play in that league.... a year after he signed this.
I found it in an area that he seemed to have little connection to.
He played for Cincinnati in 55, and the Giants in 56. he was sold to Seattle in the PCL in October 55, and drafted by the Giants in November 56. He was from NY, so not such a stretch, especially considering he was originally from Yonkers. Pretty tight timeline perhaps, but not as crazy as it seemed.

So the guy with some very sketchy "autographed" balls somehow ended up with a real one that's not super valuable, but pretty cool, and tossed it in the "old baseball" box....

[Mark17]

I collect GU flannels from the late 1950s and 1960s. There are a lot of identifiers on most shirts that need to be correct. On commons, the issue is restorations and I depend on auction houses to describe properly. On big ticket items, I want to see a Dave Grob LOA. He's the best, and his methodology is extremely thorough.

I think, with a common flannel, comparing to exemplars on the internet or my own collection, making sure the wear and fading is even, that all tagging is present and correct, that the seller is a reputable AH or dealer (or the shirt is beyond question) plus holding it in my hands and feeling the softness of it, is enough.

Put another way, if someone wanted to fake an item they could sell for $1,000 or so, they're a lot better off trying to counterfeit a card, or forge an autograph. Stitching together all the tagging, names in collar/tail, etc. on old flannel is just not feasible. As I say, restorations are the only real concern on lower end flannels.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Was just thinking of this.. Odd ? Everything
we buy like autographs and game used mainly comes with a leap if faith. Authentication only gives OPINIONS and we weren't there to see the item signed etc

How do you determine your comfortable "leap of faith" level? For me it is, a combo of good studying And a feeling that there are more reasons the item is good than bad.

Usually I make a decision on pulling the trigger after verifying with multiple people from around the board here, that something looks legit. The only player's signature that I'm somewhat comfortable evaluating myself, would be Mantle's since I've seen so many of them at this point and know the tell tale signs of an obvious fake.

[packs]

Collecting modern game used has gotten pretty iron clad with MLB authentication involved:

[drcy]

It's almost a holistic thing for autographs, and takes into context a variety of factors: who is the signer, what is signed, context, seller, etc. etc. etc.

[Leon]

The more money I am spending the less the length of the leap.