Lots of people seem to want fake cards these days?

[ullmandds]

This seller is peddling all fakes...describes them as fakes...and people are still lining up????

https://www.ebay.com/sch/southernfri...p2047675.l2562

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

This seller is peddling all fakes...describes them as fakes...and people are still lining up????

https://www.ebay.com/sch/southernfri...p2047675.l2562

I just now sent them a message about their fakes. The item I tried to message on wouldn't let me because they had too many messages on it. So I sent them a general message with the same content. They are scammers if you ask me.

[Rhotchkiss]

They are pretty good fakes. I think the seller’s description is fair and his disclosures fine, that is, unless, he actually knows they are fake - which I suspect is likely the case - in which case its fraud (not sure legally, but certainly morally)

It is amazing to me that people will buy high value, raw cards online. Stupid is, as stupid does....

[Seven]

I'd wager that some of those bids he's getting are from shill accounts, driving the prices up. The classic line of "The original source of this card is unknown" combined with the "All Sales are Final" doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

He's a small step below the people that put fakes in cracked slabs and then reseal them and pass them off as legit. I've mentioned it before, how my Father got scammed by some crooked Ebay seller, on a Jordan RC of all things, still don't have the heart to tell him.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

They are pretty good fakes. I think the seller’s description is fair and his disclosures fine, that is, unless, he actually knows they are fake - which I suspect is likely the case - in which case its fraud (not sure legally, but certainly morally)

It is amazing to me that people will buy high value, raw cards online. Stupid is, as stupid does....

I have no qualms about buying raw on ebay...but I have 40 years of experience. I don't find these to be that good. But apparently to others they look good.

[ullmandds]

and while the seller's disclosure is ok...the buyers can still return...and most likely will!

[irv]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

and while the seller's disclosure is ok...the buyers can still return...and most likely will!

Unless I am missing something, the seller has this: "Returns:
Seller does not accept returns"

[Seven]

Originally Posted by irv

Unless I am missing something, the seller has this: "Returns:
Seller does not accept returns"

He doesn't but I'd wager that if you could prove to eBay that they're fake, you'd be given a refund.

[irv]

Originally Posted by Seven

He doesn't but I'd wager that if you could prove to eBay that they're fake, you'd be given a refund.

I am not 100% sure how that works but if the seller lists them as reprints, which he has alluded to/stated, I'm not sure one would have a leg to stand on, would they?

"Per eBay rules, selling this card as a REPRINT because the card has not been professionally graded.
The original source of this card is unknown (estate/garage sale, card show, online sale, private sale, etc)
The card pictured in this listing will be the exact card you will receive.
PLEASE BID ACCORDINGLY! ALL SALES ARE FINAL!"

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Seven

He doesn't but I'd wager that if you could prove to eBay that they're fake, you'd be given a refund.

yes...exactly...it doesnt seem to matter what the seller states...buyer can return anything it seems per ebays rules.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Wow, I was expecting to see the typical $40 bid for a bad fake but this guy has a $430 bid on a fake red Cobb! Insane. There are a ton of these fake Cobbs on eBay for way less than that. These buyers are idiots.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

This seller is peddling all fakes...describes them as fakes...and people are still lining up????

https://www.ebay.com/sch/southernfri...p2047675.l2562

I'd line up for a fake vintage before I'd buy a legitimate modern

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

They are pretty good fakes. I think the seller’s description is fair and his disclosures fine, that is, unless, he actually knows they are fake - which I suspect is likely the case - in which case its fraud (not sure legally, but certainly morally)

It is amazing to me that people will buy high value, raw cards online. Stupid is, as stupid does....

I agree those are good fakes (as fakes go). And I'm surprised at the large number of bids as well. But I also think buying raw on eBay is fine if you limit your transactions to trusted sellers. I believe the graders at Greg Morris Cards compare favorably to any of the 3 TPGs that we are currently stuck with.

[conor912]

A while back i set up at a show and had a box of random $1 cards including a bunch of aged reprints. A guy went through the whole box and cherry picked every single one. We got to talking about them and had an interesting conversation. His take was that the only difference between a real card and a reprint was perceived value. He said something to the affect of, “I’m a collector, not an investor. Investors look for value, I collect images.” It was interesting to think about the psychology of the difference. I wish to God I was content with reprints....I would probably be writing this from my yacht if I was.

[irv]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

yes...exactly...it doesnt seem to matter what the seller states...buyer can return anything it seems per ebays rules.

So, as an EBay seller, you really have no say in much of anything then?

I was thinking, and still might, open an EBay sellers account just to sell some of my lower value cards or cards that I no longer want but the more I read about issues like this, more I get deterred from even thinking about it.

[ASF123]

Originally Posted by conor912

A while back i set up at a show and had a box of random $1 cards including a bunch of aged reprints. A guy went through the whole box and cherry picked every single one. We got to talking about them and had an interesting conversation. His take was that the only difference between a real card and a reprint was perceived value. He said something to the affect of, “I’m a collector, not an investor. Investors look for value, I collect images.” It was interesting to think about the psychology of the difference. I wish to God I was content with reprints....I would probably be writing this from my yacht if I was.

Ha, that was probably the same guy we're talking about now. He had a good cover story, though.

[philo98]

I came across that seller on ebay a few months ago and almost bid on some of the items then. His listings are a bit misleading as the title doesnt state anything about being a reprint. Its only down in the description and I think alot of people bidding on some of those items do not read the description.

[cardsagain74]

At least those prices from your link aren't as high as what people regularly spend for fake '52 T and '51 B Mantles.

Listings like this irk me a lot more, because it's from a dealer with a lot of (100%) feedback, and he goes to great lengths to divert attention from authenticity with nothing but supposed trimming talk and "evidence".

It's not even a good fake. Standard red flags for this card (like Mantle's bad sunburn and the wrong color under his cap's brim) are obvious even from those poor photos.

Swindling someone into paying $1500 for it

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mant...-/293804811035

[ASF123]

Originally Posted by philo98

I came across that seller on ebay a few months ago and almost bid on some of the items then. His listings are a bit misleading as the title doesnt state anything about being a reprint. Its only down in the description and I think alot of people bidding on some of those items do not read the description.

They’re more than a bit misleading. They don’t say “this is a reprint,” they say “I’m selling this as a reprint because it’s not graded, but the origin is unknown,” which intentionally suggests the possibility that it is original.

As someone posted above, the seller knows it’s a fake and is making a fraudulent misrepresentation. EBay really needs to crack down on that kind of stuff, as well as the sellers who put fakes in lookalike PSA slabs (just missing the logo). If I were PSA, I’d also be going after those guys for trade dress misappropriation.

[Buythatcard]

He is also using this in each description heading "non PSA graded". This will bring up his cards when you search for PSA even though they are not slabbed by PSA.
I thought that was another eBay no no.

[ASF123]

I flagged a couple of his listings, but there were only a few options on the drop down menu for reasons for flagging, and “misleading item description” or “fake item” weren’t there. So I had to go with shill bidders.

How can eBay not even allow flagging for misrepresenting an item? I get that in this case they would probably take the lazy position that the seller’s disclaimer was truthy enough so they don’t have to get involved...but to not even have it as an option to report a listing?

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

Wow, I was expecting to see the typical $40 bid for a bad fake but this guy has a $430 bid on a fake red Cobb! Insane. There are a ton of these fake Cobbs on eBay for way less than that. These buyers are idiots.

I would wager a fair number of the people buying cards like this are buying them to rip off someone else by selling it as legit.

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Tabe

I would wager a fair number of the people buying cards like this are buying them to rip off someone else by selling it as legit.

People are desperate right now and they know the card market is hot. Its a bad combo for unsuspecting newbies and a perfect storm for scammers.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Tabe

I would wager a fair number of the people buying cards like this are buying them to rip off someone else by selling it as legit.

I have a feeling for that money the bidders think it might be real. There are just too many other T206 red Cobbs that are good looking fakes for much lower buy it nows.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by conor912

A while back i set up at a show and had a box of random $1 cards including a bunch of aged reprints. A guy went through the whole box and cherry picked every single one. We got to talking about them and had an interesting conversation. His take was that the only difference between a real card and a reprint was perceived value. He said something to the affect of, “I’m a collector, not an investor. Investors look for value, I collect images.” It was interesting to think about the psychology of the difference. I wish to God I was content with reprints....I would probably be writing this from my yacht if I was.

It is awesome, like beyond words awesome. I have several reprint sets that I honestly like as much as most real cards I have ever owned.

I recently picked up a T206 reprint set. I have started the set and sold off the real cards 3 times because I just got burned out on it. Now I have them all and I really like owning them.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by irv

So, as an EBay seller, you really have no say in much of anything then?

I was thinking, and still might, open an EBay sellers account just to sell some of my lower value cards or cards that I no longer want but the more I read about issues like this, more I get deterred from even thinking about it.

If you're just selling low end cards, occasionally, you'll be just fine. Go ahead and do it.

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[irv]

Originally Posted by todeen

If you're just selling low end cards, occasionally, you'll be just fine. Go ahead and do it.

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I don't know the first thing on how to go about it but I am still considering it? But at the same time, my friends son up the street recently opened up an EBay account so I am thinking I might just be further ahead to use his if he is interested?
That way it would save me the trouble and possible headaches but possibly help him by having more product and a more diversified collection of cards to sell?

He mainly dabbles in modern basketball, hockey and football and currently has no baseball, modern or vintage.

[Popcorn]

The amount of positive feedback for the cards is disturbing, I bet psa makes bank grading these “authtct ?” over and over.

[sando69]

when i saw the t206 red cobb, i noticed that it has a piedmont 150 reverse and i REALLY need one for my back run.
so, knowing that jamie/blunder needs that back as well i decided to bid often and high.
am elated & proud to share that i WON that card for the bargain price of only $779!
am certain i can flip it for a HUGE profit.
congrats to me.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by irv

I don't know the first thing on how to go about it but I am still considering it? But at the same time, my friends son up the street recently opened up an EBay account so I am thinking I might just be further ahead to use his if he is interested?

That way it would save me the trouble and possible headaches but possibly help him by having more product and a more diversified collection of cards to sell?



He mainly dabbles in modern basketball, hockey and football and currently has no baseball, modern or vintage.

As long as you have bought some, it'll be tied to your buyers account to show your previous history on ebay, and so then you should be able to sell already with feedback.

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[irv]

Originally Posted by todeen

As long as you have bought some, it'll be tied to your buyers account to show your previous history on ebay, and so then you should be able to sell already with feedback.

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I do have a good EBay feedback with "0" negatives or neutrals as I always pay right away/immediately if I am not interested in purchasing anymore cards from a particular seller.
This seems to make the sellers happy, which leads me to believe that some buyers delay or jerk some sellers around with payments? I guess I'm the minority in this regard but have always thought, if you can't currently afford to pay for something, then you shouldn't be bidding or buying, but that's me.

I will give it some thought but I will also need to set up a PayPal account for deposits. I don't believe that is too hard but then again, I am not sure how that works either as I have only used PayPal to pay for my purchases, not for deposits.

I appreciate the help, Tim.

Thank you.

[Exhibitman]

I buy a lot of raw cards now on eBay but only from a select group of dealers I trust, mostly folks I've been dealing with for years.

[Gary Dunaier]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

This seller is peddling all fakes...describes them as fakes...and people are still lining up????

The link provided in the original post (deleted from the quote here) now indicates the seller has 0 (zero) items for sale.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

yes...exactly...it doesnt seem to matter what the seller states...buyer can return anything it seems per ebays rules.

Unless it's to PWCC

[chalupacollects]

There is another clown on Mercari selling T206 Wagner's with Polar Bear backs and getting $1000.... Mercari still has not pulled them.

[hockeyhockey]

Originally Posted by chalupacollects

There is another clown on Mercari selling T206 Wagner's with Polar Bear backs and getting $1000.... Mercari still has not pulled them.

friend of mine has a mercari account and they don't seem to care too much about anything. it's like the wild west, counterfeits and whatnot are just expected i guess. and you aren't covered like ebay from what i understand - the ole buyer beware status.

as for the reprints, it honestly doesn't bother me if people are selling them for a couple of bucks. if there's a market, more power to you. my issue (as i'm sure it is with most of you) is knowingly having a reprint and fooling others into thinking they "may" be buying a legit card for a lot of money.