ebay missing card gone bad

[brewing]

requesting to delete this thread

[ramram]

Unbelievable.

[sportscardpete]

Thanks for sharing. It’s a shame some people are that pathetic. Sorry you had to deal with this.

[timn1]

WTF, Justin?

Brent,
did you post this on Blowout?

[brewing]

Here's his PSA profile
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist.../profile/71750

[tiger8mush]

Justin Farber put a price on his integrity: $73.83

[slidekellyslide]

Wow. Post it up on Blowout, this is blatant right out in the open thievery.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Wow. Post it up on Blowout, this is blatant right out in the open thievery.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...1#post16448994

[Seven]

Brent, Sorry you have to deal with such a terrible situation. The level of dishonesty by this shady character is beyond belief. I'm sure this isn't the first time he's pulled a scam like this either. I'm not sure what the best course of action is here, maybe getting in contact with law enforcement? Reaching out to legal representation? I'm sure other board members here know better than I do and will offer suggestions.

I'm sure while your pissed about the money, the principle is even worse at this point.

EDIT: I do think both sides of the story are important, and I may have been too quick to judge. I wonder what the full story is. For sake of transparency I apologize if I jumped to conclusions.

[Eric72]

Sorry to hear this happened to you. FWIW, I added his user ID to my blocked bidder list on eBay. If it gets straightened out, please let us know.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Sorry to hear this happened to you. FWIW, I added his user ID to my blocked bidder list on eBay. If it gets straightened out, please let us know.

Blackballed!

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Blackballed!

he can just change the username or make another account.

funny he had to put it on the registry so not about selling it..sounds like he has issues.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by Seven

Brent, Sorry you have to deal with such a terrible situation.

I'm sure while your pissed about the money, the principle is even worse at this point.

It’s definitely not the money. While irritating, it’s mostly the principle.

[DeanH3]

Sorry this happened Brent. Did you have the card registered in a set yourself? Just asking because I have added cards to my registry before receiving them. Just throwing this out there that maybe it's possible he added it before he received the card. Good luck and I hope this is resolved easily.

[chriskim]

99% of the time buyers win if shipping records don't show the package was delivered. I have gone thru this on a $250 item before. Sad...

[GasHouseGang]

I added him to my blocked list on ebay. Sorry this happened to you.

[Casey2296]

The look of disgust on George Bell's face says it all.

[Jim65]

I hope karma bites this Douchebag right in his ballsack

[bobbyw8469]

I see that this guy sells stuff. You can always buy something of value from him, and say SNAD....not that I condone doing that sort of thing....but I don't like outright theft....which is what happened to you.

[rjackson44]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I see that this guy sells stuff. You can always buy something of value from him, and say SNAD....not that I condone doing that sort of thing....but I don't like outright theft....which is what happened to you.

agreed

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Sorry this happened Brent. Did you have the card registered in a set yourself? Just asking because I have added cards to my registry before receiving them. Just throwing this out there that maybe it's possible he added it before he received the card. Good luck and I hope this is resolved easily.

I was wondering this myself. In any event, based on what you have reported, it might be a thought to contact Justin, demand an explanation and make it clear that in the absence of receiving an acceptable one you will inform eBay as to what is going on. Justin might not care, but I would think eBay would (or should).

[mrdbrooks77]

He is on fb. I messaged him. We will see.

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[chalupacollects]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I see that this guy sells stuff. You can always buy something of value from him, and say SNAD....not that I condone doing that sort of thing....but I don't like outright theft....which is what happened to you.

He sells breaks...so buy a a team and if you don't get a card its an INAD... automatic loss for him...unless he gives buyer something decent...

[swarmee]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1412177
He responded on blowout.

[bobbyw8469]

He is saying he didn't get it, but I am not buying that. To me, it looks like the mail clerk delivered it and forgot to give it a final scan.

[nineunder71]

I believe this changes things, appears to be a legitimate response.

First, I want to thank Brent for outing an ‘expected’ crook, and looking out for the board. I would have done the same, and I wish u the best of luck!

However, Some of the responses on this thread Really make me question the integrity of our Hobby.

ANYONE here, whom wrote anything regarding ‘eye for an eye’ retaliation needs a Serious Moral check!

Too much of this crap going on around here

Oh, and since I called out some posts

To all a good day,

Colton English

Originally Posted by swarmee

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1412177
He responded on blowout.

[RL]

In the past, whenever someone tried this scam, I filed a case on USPS about theft by a carrier.

Pretty quickly the tracking shows delivered.

If you have the same luck, and the order gets the delivery scan, call ebay and get your money back.

Good luck!

[chalupacollects]

Actually if you had tracking on the package go to local post office and request the GPS coordinates of the delivery. That will tell you if he received card or not..Be pushy with PO if you have to...

[hcv123]

DOn't have the head to pick it apart right now, but my BS meter was registering pretty high.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by hcv123

DOn't have the head to pick it apart right now, but my BS meter was registering pretty high.

Mine too.

[brewing]

For the record someone did send me a PM about flipping the role of buyer/seller to get revenge. My response was that I could not do that because it would require me scamming. I felt that calling him out was the best justice I was going to get.

He has removed it from the registry which is the only thing showing ownership. I really have no recourse at this point.

I still stand behind my initial post. Mostly based on circumstantial evidence.

[nineunder71]

Again, Well Done!!! on all Fronts

Originally Posted by brewing

For the record someone did send me a PM about flipping the role of buyer/seller to get revenge. My response was that I could not do that because it would require me scamming. I felt that calling him out was the best justice I was going to get.

He has removed it from the registry which is the only thing showing ownership. I really have no recourse at this point.

I still stand behind my initial post. Mostly based on circumstantial evidence.

[farberjustin]

Sorry for the delay in responding all. I had to create an account to respond.

Originally Posted by brewing

First time I heard of issue was on Sept 2nd when justinfarber10 opens a case.
I've gone thru steps with USPS, no luck there.
He requests to close case and ebay decides in their favor on Sept 11th.

Exactly, I waited nearly a month before opening a case. And then I waited over a week for you to offer a solution, you did not.

Originally Posted by brewing

justinfarber10 has been unresponsive to all messages sent outside of his ebay case.

You sent me two eBay messages, neither asked a question, proposed a solution or requested my response in any way.

Originally Posted by brewing

Checked and the card is in his PSA T206 registered set. I requested removal through PSA and he denied my removal request.

My side for those who waited before assuming the worst: I did not receive the card. I added it to my registry when I bought it on eBay using the image barcode. When I got the request to remove it, I rejected it since I rarely sell T206 cards (only when I acquire duplicates) and I hadn't sold any recently, so I was confused as to why I was receiving the request. I did not realize it was for the card I had not received until now.

My apologies for the inconvenience, it is now removed it from my registry.

As I said on Blowout, I feel like I'm being shook down here to cover your loss. If this is what you want I'd appreciate you being direct in asking. Post your PayPal and I'll cover it to clear my name. I wouldn't risk my reputation as seller, FB group admin or member of the Blowout forum for $73.

[Rhotchkiss]

Over $73, someone has either committed libel (Brewing) or theft (Justin). Good times.....

Having read this thread, my bet is this is an unfortunate, $73 misunderstanding

[farberjustin]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

Justin Farber put a price on his integrity: $73.83

Please see above. I did not receive the card but will gladly cover his $73 loss to keep my name in tact. I offered this on Blowout 2 hours ago and he still hasn't provided me his paypal.

I really don't appreciate the defamation of character and plots to hurt me in this thread, all posted before I even had a chance to respond. Thank you to the one member who had the courtesy to contact me on Facebook!

[68Hawk]

With the response from Justin, I'd suggest a change to the thread title.
It is entirely possible that both scenarios seemed true from each of participating perspectives. His offer to make good on the loss suffered by the OP and lack of other wrongful activities suggests to me benefit of the doubt would be the better course.

A thread title like that lingers long and and harshly.
For a $73 item? I think it unlikely.

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by farberjustin

Please see above. I did not receive the card but will gladly cover his $73 loss to keep my name in tact. I offered this on Blowout 2 hours ago and he still hasn't provided me his paypal.

I really don't appreciate the defamation of character and plots to hurt me in this thread, all posted before I even had a chance to respond. Thank you to the one member who had the courtesy to contact me on Facebook!

If you truly did not get the card , I’m not sure why you would offer to “buy” your integrity back so quickly.

[farberjustin]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

With the response from Justin, I'd suggest a change to the thread title.
It is entirely possible that both scenarios seemed true from each of participating perspectives. His offer to make good on the loss suffered by the OP and lack of other wrongful activities suggests to me benefit of the doubt would be the better course.

A thread title like that lingers long and and harshly.
For a $73 item? I think it unlikely.

Thank you.

If it helps sway anyone else, I have dozens of people I've done deals with as a buyer, trader and seller that will readily vouch for me. I have 100% positive feedback on eBay, including from large live breaks and from selling hundreds of mystery baseball card re-packs. I honestly do my best to treat everyone in the hobby with respect. I have not stolen from anyone!

[farberjustin]

Originally Posted by BLongley

If you truly did not get the card , I’m not sure why you would offer to “buy” your integrity back so quickly.

Because he's defaming me on multiple forums, and since I care about my reputation as a seller and trader. Would you sit easy with a post calling you a thief up?

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by farberjustin

Because he's defaming me on multiple forums, and since I care about my reputation as a seller and trader. Would you sit easy with a post calling you a thief up?

I would defend myself and work to prove I never received it and also communicate with the seller. It’s all circumstantial evidence but then you’re offering money too quickly, and as an observer that looks like guilt.

[Casey2296]

I purchased a Mel Ott 4-on-1 exhibit recently (Covid) and it got lost in USPS purgatory. I opened a did not receive case after 3 weeks. The Seller was really upset with the usps and went down to the post office the following Monday, I also went to my post office that day. Of course the post office couldn't do anything other than say it was somewhere between there and here. The seller and I had such a great exchange along the way, we talked about him going to Woodstock in '69 and how my girlfriends Family started "The Hog Farm", and whether Joe Cocker or Carlos Santana put on a better show that day. Hell, he even had a 70th birthday that week which we both laughed about. I told him to not worry about the card and that the power of positive thinking would make that card show up, and since he was on a fixed income, if it didn't show up he could just refund me what he would have made on the card. I enjoyed every bit of our conversations and would love to have spent a couple hours with him talking baseball over a wee dram.

A little over two weeks later the card arrived.

Sometimes these things have a way of working out with a little patience and integrity...

[nineunder71]

While I also believe the Buyer acted accordingly on his documented presumptions

Thank You Justin for your response

I believe your actions have cleared your name here

Please see my first post on this thread, along with others that were ‘curious’ as to important details, Not everyone judged you immediately!

This was/is a sticky case due to multiple details/issues presented

This is an awesome forum, I hope your future experiences here are better

Again, there is just too much of this going on right now

I side with BOTH, in this case

Originally Posted by farberjustin

Please see above. I did not receive the card but will gladly cover his $73 loss to keep my name in tact. I offered this on Blowout 2 hours ago and he still hasn't provided me his paypal.

I really don't appreciate the defamation of character and plots to hurt me in this thread, all posted before I even had a chance to respond. Thank you to the one member who had the courtesy to contact me on Facebook!

[Beastmode]

This guy Justin is a piece of work. Already on my block list. F' him and his BS story. Another citizen in america that takes no responsibility, faces no consequences, and f's other people. He can f' himself.

[68Hawk]

Originally Posted by Beastmode

This guy Justin is a piece of work. Already on my block list. F' him and his BS story. Another citizen in america that takes no responsibility, faces no consequences, and f's other people. He can f' himself.

You're an absolute dope.

[nineunder71]

Pretty sure you need to post your name after that

Please know the rules

Originally Posted by Beastmode

This guy Justin is a piece of work. Already on my block list. F' him and his BS story. Another citizen in america that takes no responsibility, faces no consequences, and f's other people. He can f' himself.

[slidekellyslide]

I apologize for jumping to conclusions but this should be a lesson for anyone using PSA’s registry to not input the card before you have it in hand. I’m sure you can see why people came to the conclusion they did when you rejected taking the card off the registry. I actually do believe now that you did not receive the card considering the unfortunate condition of the post office due to Covid and the new postmaster general’s interference with delivery. I have had half a dozen packages go missing in the last three months, all with tracking.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by nineunder71

Pretty sure you need to post your name after that

Please know the rules

His name is under his id. But yes, you are correct.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by farberjustin

Thank you.

If it helps sway anyone else, I have dozens of people I've done deals with as a buyer, trader and seller that will readily vouch for me. I have 100% positive feedback on eBay, including from large live breaks and from selling hundreds of mystery baseball card re-packs. I honestly do my best to treat everyone in the hobby with respect. I have not stolen from anyone!

No dog in this fight, but if I may offer a suggestion just in case you ever buy from me, if it doesn't show, shoot me an email before opening a claim. I think it shows some respect to the seller.

I agree that this looks like an unfortunate situation all around. If you did happen to be a crook, I sure hope you'd aim a little higher than 73 bucks!!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I purchased a Mel Ott 4-on-1 exhibit recently (Covid) and it got lost in USPS purgatory. I opened a did not receive case after 3 weeks. The Seller was really upset with the usps and went down to the post office the following Monday, I also went to my post office that day. Of course the post office couldn't do anything other than say it was somewhere between there and here. The seller and I had such a great exchange along the way, we talked about him going to Woodstock in '69 and how my girlfriends Family started "The Hog Farm". Hell, he even had a 70th birthday that week which we both laughed about. I told him to not worry about the card and that the power of positive thinking would make that card show up, and since he was on a fixed income, if it didn't show up he could just refund me what he would have made on the card. I enjoyed every bit of our conversations and would love to have spent a couple hours with him talking baseball over a wee dram.

A little over two weeks later the card arrived.

Sometimes these things have a way of working out...

Thanks for sharing that great story, always good to hear when it works out. I have had very similar delivery delays with several members including Leon. They all worked out in the end with some taking over 2 months to show up.

Hopefully it works out for these 2 gentlemen.

[Eric72]

I copied this from the thread on Blowout. I'm not saying the situation is precisely the same; however, I like the way this seller got the USPS involved in an effort to sort everything out.

Originally Posted by gglenn3278, member, Blowout Cards forums

OP, not sure if this will help in your case, but I had a situation where a fairly expensive ($105) item was "in transit" for a week or so with no updates to the tracking. The buyer sent me a nasty message and filed a claim (only time I heard from him throughout the process). I asked him to be patient, but no response. On the day he could escalate the ebay case, I went ahead and refunded him, and contacted my local postmaster. I had to wait several more days after that, but I filed an insurance claim for the $100 Priority Mail insurance.

A few days after I filed the insurance claim, the package was scanned delivered. I messaged the buyer and asked him to re-send the payment. Of course, he did not respond to my message. Now he had my item AND my money. I figured I was just SOL. A few days after that, I received a check in the mail from USPS for $112 for the $100 insurance, plus Medium Flat Rate Box postage.

After that, I got a follow up call from the postmaster, who had also been following the tracking, asking if the buyer paid me. I told him no, that USPS had paid the claim, and he told me that he was going to pursue charges on the buyer on his end. USPS takes stuff like that very seriously. I would contact your local postmaster and also file an insurance claim. After all, USPS either dropped the ball, or your buyer is dishonest. You are on the hook, but that doesn't mean that it is your fault!