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Old 11-14-2019, 12:24 PM
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Mets had a winning record for the year despite team only wining 14 of 32 games started by Degrom.

I know there are tons of examples of low win total pitchers on bad teams but i hadnt seen something like this on a winning team.

would a replacement pitcher and not degrom who could pitch the same amount of innings also have his team win at least 11 or so out of 32?
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Yea I think I could've done just as good as degrom...sign me up Wilpon.
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Sounds like a Cy Young season to me.

Oh wait. I guess it was.
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Sounds like a Cy Young season to me.

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Yep 21 wins over 2 years sounds like 2 cy youngs to me....especially when win percentage for the team on his starts are less than the team overall at least for this year.. the 2018 season stats makes sense but not 2019. Looks like real bad luck


real tough for a over .500 team to win 30 percent or whatever of a pitchers starts in 2018..
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Sounds like a Cy Young season to me.

Oh wait. I guess it was.
Naw!!!!!! Not even Pud Galvin could top Cy's career loss record, but he tried with 310 (actually Cy actually topped Pud chronologically with 315).

Suffice it to say I doubt Degrom will be lucky to garner half that number of losses regardless of how many awards he wins.
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certainly more deserving than one Viagra spokesman who won a golden glove while playing only 28 games in the field.

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certainly more deserving than one Viagra spokesman who won a golden glove while playing only 28 games in the field.

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well if taking viagra there were probably games played off the field too
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certainly more deserving than one Viagra spokesman who won a golden glove while playing only 28 games in the field.

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That was unbelievable. Did we ever get an explanation from the writers who voted for him?
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Mets had a winning record for the year despite team only wining 14 of 32 games started by Degrom.

I know there are tons of examples of low win total pitchers on bad teams but i hadnt seen something like this on a winning team.

would a replacement pitcher and not degrom who could pitch the same amount of innings also have his team win at least 11 or so out of 32?
The 1983 World Champion Baltimore Orioles were 96-66 during the regular season. Dennis Martinez, a pretty decent pitcher with 245 career wins, started 32 games and had a record of 7-16. I'm not sure what the Orioles record was in his starts, but that's the worst record I can remember for a starting pitcher on a World Series champion.
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The 1983 World Champion Baltimore Orioles were 96-66 during the regular season. Dennis Martinez, a pretty decent pitcher with 245 career wins, started 32 games and had a record of 7-16. I'm not sure what the Orioles record was in his starts, but that's the worst record I can remember for a starting pitcher on a World Series champion.
I may have this wrong but I think Martinez is the answer to the question who has the most lifetime wins without a 20 win season.
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I may have this wrong but I think Martinez is the answer to the question who has the most lifetime wins without a 20 win season.
Was Jerry Reuss for a while. I think that "record" went Pappas, Reuss, Martinez

Not chronological:

245 Dennis Martinez
240 Frank Tanana
220 Jerry Reuss
219 Kenny Rogers
216 Charlie Hough
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The 1983 World Champion Baltimore Orioles were 96-66 during the regular season. Dennis Martinez, a pretty decent pitcher with 245 career wins, started 32 games and had a record of 7-16. I'm not sure what the Orioles record was in his starts, but that's the worst record I can remember for a starting pitcher on a World Series champion.
right but he didnt win a cy young that year or even the the second best pitcher on his own team....number 4 pitchers on great teams can be under .500 in team wins., thats not unusual....he was 8 and 24 in team wins though...thats pretty bad

usualy the excuse of a great pitcher with a bad records is 'his team was terrible' which is what people say about nolan ryan, but this years mets team had a winning record ..and better than just 82-80 etc
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