Beware... Moser cards apparently in Mile High Auction

[BLongley]

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1302127

[Johnny630]

Bad not shocking....so sad..... next nothing to see here

[Republicaninmass]

Bye bye Brenty, or is it Brent trying to change the dialogue. I'd be curious who consigned them.

[oldjudge]

Are they suggesting that the Boston Store Ruth was messed with?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Are they suggesting that the Boston Store Ruth was messed with?

That is Manny who was Set Builder here. He claims it is bleached. The Blowout guys did not identify that one and one objected.

[CMIZ5290]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Who are the Blowout Guys? I've never done business with anyone on this forum. Why are they getting recognition for this stuff?

Because they deserve it.

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Who are the Blowout Guys? I've never done business with anyone on this forum. Why are they getting recognition for this stuff?

Because they found it.... most are experienced collectors just like over here. Just like they refer to us as Net54’s...etc... how do u know u haven’t done business with any one over there? There are 10s of thousands of members there.... that is if you’re Dixiedog over there?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Who are the Blowout Guys? I've never done business with anyone on this forum. Why are they getting recognition for this stuff?

Why does it matter that none of them will buy your cards?

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That is Manny who was Set Builder here. He claims it is bleached. The Blowout guys did not identify that one and one objected.

So someone would bleach a $132,000 card? Sounds crazy to me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

What a stunning miscalculation he made not to take down the 52T Mantle. All that bullshit about it being conserved. It's so fitting that his arrogance and misplaced sense of invulnerability led to all this.

[CMIZ5290]

[QUOTE=bnorth;1892523]Why does it matter that none of them will buy your cards?[/QUOT
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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

So someone would bleach a $132,000 card? Sounds crazy to me.

I think it's a stretch, myself, and likely a scan thing.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

So someone would bleach a $132,000 card? Sounds crazy to me.

Also, if one were to bleach a $132,000 card, and I'm not convinced anyone did, it should be a more common one.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

So someone would bleach a $132,000 card? Sounds crazy to me.

It seems as if there is a lot of crazy going on right now, but yeah, that would be pretty crazy.

[BLongley]

312 just posted a few more... he said the volume he is seeing in the auction is staggering and he wouldn’t be surprised if nearly every card in the auction has been altered. This is not a good look for MileHigh... whether it’s malicious or not...

[ullmandds]

I just got home to find my mile high catalog in my mailbox I immediately sent them a message asking to be removed and told them why.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I just got home to find my mile high catalog in my mailbox I immediately sent them a message asking to be removed and told them why.

You sound like all those parents who after the swimsuit issue canceled their son's SI subscription.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You sound like all those parents who after the swimsuit issue canceled their son's SI subscription.

Seriously??? The swimsuit edition is the only reason to have a subscription to sports illustrated !!

[Dpeck100]

I am confused. I thought if one avoided PWCC suctions they were safe and the chances of buying an altered card were much lower.

[70ToppsFanatic]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I am confused. I thought if one avoided PWCC suctions they were safe and the chances of buying an altered card were much lower.

The sky is falling.

We’re surtounded by communist sympathizers

There are many people with varied interests in seeing this situation play out in different ways. There is very little fact and quite a lot of speculation still circulating. The BO folks have identified some significant number of potentially altered cards and adopted a guilt-by-association mentality toward any cards submitted with them. That is prudent but who knows if it will turn out to be the exception or the rule?

Bottom line is that it’s going to take quite a while for all of this to be looked into and sorted out. Is it possible that some bad slabs made it into the MH auction or any other major auction house? Sure. Is it likely to be practically every card? That seems to be a bit of a reach without evidence to back up such a comprehensive assertion. The latter seems more like an attempt to induce panic.

[frankbmd]

Since when does PWCC have a monopoly on being good for the hobby?

Perhaps because their vault is bigger than the rest.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I am confused. I thought if one avoided PWCC suctions they were safe and the chances of buying an altered card were much lower.

Safe to say you have sarcasm face on right now?

Just in case you don’t, you don’t feel like this is a big deal? I did my early bidding today and saw a lot of the cards that are now being called out, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is 25% to a third of the auction that’s now “suspect”. There were already a few lots withdrawn as of mid-day today, I would imagine there are dozens more coming soon.

[ruth-gehrig]

Never been real fond of auction houses that have unmarked reserve pieces as well as lots that they themselves have financial interests in. It's on page 1 under 2.d) in their current catalog if you want to take a look.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 70ToppsFanatic

The sky is falling.

We’re surtounded by communist sympathizers

There are many people with varied interests in seeing this situation play out in different ways. There is very little fact and quite a lot of speculation still circulating. The BO folks have identified some significant number of potentially altered cards and adopted a guilt-by-association mentality toward any cards submitted with them. That is prudent but who knows if it will turn out to be the exception or the rule?

Bottom line is that it’s going to take quite a while for all of this to be looked into and sorted out. Is it possible that some bad slabs made it into the MH auction or any other major auction house? Sure. Is it likely to be practically every card? That seems to be a bit of a reach without evidence to back up such a comprehensive assertion. The latter seems more like an attempt to induce panic.

I have no interest other than that the truth about this blight on the hobby finally come to light whatever its extent is. And that there be consequences for those who have created it and enabled it, I should add. I am sure many feel the same way, whatever the consequences. I hope for the best and fear the worst. As for looking into it and sorting it out, the only ones who are going to do that are those of us motivated to do so. If you think TPGs or AHs are going to do it, I respectfully disagree, their interest is to minimize and contain.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I am confused. I thought if one avoided PWCC suctions they were safe and the chances of buying an altered card were much lower.

There's evidence that Brent participated in the fraud. That's the best reason to avoid PWCC auctions.

The Mile High auction could be an attempt at a large inventory dump.

[bounce]

Originally Posted by 70ToppsFanatic

There is very little fact and quite a lot of speculation still circulating. The BO folks have identified some significant number of potentially altered cards and adopted a guilt-by-association mentality toward any cards submitted with them. That is prudent but who knows if it will turn out to be the exception or the rule?

Is it possible that some bad slabs made it into the MH auction or any other major auction house? Sure. Is it likely to be practically every card? That seems to be a bit of a reach without evidence to back up such a comprehensive assertion.

So for the record, you’d be cool winning these cards then?

It Wouldn’t change your mind at all if you knew who consigned them, you would bid the same regardless?

And you’d have zero problem bidding in their auctions again after finding out they were accepting consignments from someone who was actively seeking to get altered cards past the TPGs?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Blowout reports many of the cards have been taken down, but the guy running the show says many more altered cards remain. Stay tuned I guess to see how it plays out. I am glad Brian is responding.

[maddux311]

At first glance there are 12 lots that have been withdrawn, much more than the 1-2 per auction. I would not be surprised if Brian found out that they were Moser's work and promptly withdrew them. Having dealt with Brian I have complete faith that he would do the right thing as he is a stand up guy.

[Johnny630]

Good Job By AH pulling these...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Good Job By AH pulling these...

Brian has a lot more sense than Brent.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Brian has a lot more sense than Brent.

Agree +1

[warrior1978]

Very good the reported lots were pulled. This fraud that has come to light has done serious damage to my faith in all the TPGs. Anything of value and greater than say a graded VG/EX will have me question whether the card has been altered or not.

[dabbuu]

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[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by bounce

Safe to say you have sarcasm face on right now?

Just in case you don’t, you don’t feel like this is a big deal? I did my early bidding today and saw a lot of the cards that are now being called out, I wouldn’t be surprised if there is 25% to a third of the auction that’s now “suspect”. There were already a few lots withdrawn as of mid-day today, I would imagine there are dozens more coming soon.

Yes of course I was joking.

In a thread last week on this forum we had some spirited back and forth and I was on the side that you would see cards surface in other auction houses just as easily.

No surprise here whatsoever.

[cubman1941]

I have been following all the "stories" on altered cards and a thought came to me. I haven't looked at all the cards that have been called out but are they all higher dollar cards? What about the, say T206's that have PSA grades but are commons like a Steinfeldt Sweet Caporal I have graded PSA 1.5 or his T205 Piedmont graded PSA 4 with a value of about $40 each?

Not fueling the fire but just curious.

[trambo]

For what it’s worth, I also believe the MHCC guys will do the right thing if there are suspect cards. I bought a lot of t205’s from them & had 8 with cracked cases that weren’t shown in the auction. Called them and they took care of the reholdering. No doubt in my mind they’ll do what’s right in this situation, too.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

Yes of course I was joking.

In a thread last week on this forum we had some spirited back and forth and I was on the side that you would see cards surface in other auction houses just as easily.

No surprise here whatsoever.

Like the old ad for Converse sneakers, they're everywhere.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Good Job By AH pulling these...

Awesome job by MH to remove these cards.

And I’m sure that these cards weren’t consigned directly by Moser and that MH never took consignments from Moser over the years when everyone knew that Moser was a card doctor.

[111gecko]

MH now has the submitter of the cards. It wouldn't take much for the AH to get together and create a list of 'straw submitters'...

[calvindog]

What if Moser has submitted openly to MH for years?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Awesome job by MH to remove these cards.

And I’m sure that these cards weren’t consigned directly by Moser and that MH never took consignments from Moser over the years when everyone knew that Moser was a card doctor.

Originally Posted by calvindog

What if Moser has submitted openly to MH for years?

Didn't you just say you're sure he hadn't?

[MVSNYC]

sarcasm

/ˈsärˌkazəm/

noun

the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

sarcasm

/ˈsärˌkazəm/

noun

the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.

Cough. Thank you, Mike.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I'm from Jersey, I usually don't miss sarcasm, I just assume it, sorry!

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Agree +1

+1

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I'm from Jersey, I usually don't miss sarcasm, I just assume it, sorry!

Jersey? Really? What exit?

[scotgreb]

At first glance there are 12 lots that have been withdrawn, much more than the 1-2 per auction. I would not be surprised if Brian found out that they were Moser's work and promptly withdrew them. Having dealt with Brian I have complete faith that he would do the right thing as he is a stand up guy.

To the attorneys on the site . . . If MH had a bona fide reason to believe they were being defrauded, could they turn these cards over directly to law enforcement?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by scotgreb

At first glance there are 12 lots that have been withdrawn, much more than the 1-2 per auction. I would not be surprised if Brian found out that they were Moser's work and promptly withdrew them. Having dealt with Brian I have complete faith that he would do the right thing as he is a stand up guy.

To the attorneys on the site . . . If MH had a bona fide reason to believe they were being defrauded, could they turn these cards over directly to law enforcement?

That wouldn't be good for business. I wouldn't want to be known as the auction house that will send your cards to law enforcement because some anonymous guy on a forum says they may be altered. Pulling the auction and sending them back seems like the correct response.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by tschock

Jersey? Really? What exit?

I was off of 80 not the Parkway.