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[VWruss]

Just picked this up for under 200 dollars. Did I do Ok?

[ullmandds]

looks fake

[VWruss]

Not sure how I put the card within the card.

[ullmandds]

still looks bad to me

[ullmandds]

lets see the reverse.

[VWruss]

Still think I'm gonna get it checked out just the same.

[ullmandds]

PSA knows their shit!

[CobbSpikedMe]

That card under $200 is a huge red flag. Unless you found it at a garage sale and the owner had no idea of the value and you lucked out and it was real.

What is the back, it could be one of several different sets.

[ullmandds]

If it's a green crofts candy...well....

[VWruss]

Here is the back

[ullmandds]

there you go...fake e102! Look at the font of the print on the back...it's all wrong...way too dark.

[VWruss]

He had it tagged as a T-206 card so I was hoping he was just very uneducated.

[Bored5000]

One of the great things about this board is that there are many collectors willing to help out when a new poster has a question. But a superstar pre-war card for under $200 is going to be fake, well, just about every time.

[CobbSpikedMe]

I have to agree with Pete that it is a fake E102.

[VWruss]

Damn. I was hoping it was an early birthday present. Do you think it would be a bad idea to send it in to be sure?

[griffon512]

yes, because that would be throwing good money after bad.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by VWruss

Damn. I was hoping it was an early birthday present. Do you think it would be a bad idea to send it in to be sure?

Save your money on the grading, it is fake, as others have said.... and if he had it listed as T206 on ebay, and it hasn't been too long, return it. SNAD...

[VWruss]

I didnt get it from Ebay but thanks for the advice.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Pretty good fake front though I have to say. Back is just silly.

[brianp-beme]

Like Pete I was thinking the print on the back was too dark, but then I checked out a real one that I have and it also has dark print. The scan of it is below.

Still probably not authentic, but I personally think it is worth sending to TPG for authentication, just because it doesn't scream fake to me, but just kind of whispers loudly. Can you provide us more detailed image of both front and back?

Brian

[ullmandds]

I disagree Brian the font is wrong there is no way that’s card is real

[ullmandds]

Why waste more money just hold onto it if you cannot return it and bring it to a show and show a few people .

[brianp-beme]

Not saying it is real, but to me it looks like the same font. I added another authentic back for comparison purposes along with the Cobb from the OP.

Brian

[ullmandds]

To me if you quickly scan from known authentic to the OP’s they don’t seem the same... if you placed the original post with 10 real ones and only looked at the box it would stand out like a sore thumb...to me. But by all means...go get it graded...waste more money.

[ALBB]

Looks like its real

[pokerplyr80]

You already spent 200 on the card. What's another 10 or 20 bucks to send it in? You can also send scans in to PSA for their quick opinion service first and see what they say. Or walk it into the show next month if you're in the Chicago area.

[VWruss]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

To me if you quickly scan from known authentic to the OP’s they don’t seem the same... if you placed the original post with 10 real ones and only looked at the box it would stand out like a sore thumb...to me. But by all means...go get it graded...waste more money.

I was just asking. I'm by no means an expert at this hobby. I didnt want to start a big arguement.

[x2drich2000]

Put me in the fake department. The light gray in the uniform looks way too light to me and the dark gray areas should be streaky/dotted/lines, which is very easy to see under a bright light, but I don't see that at all in the OP's picture. Below is an authentic copy and closeup showing what I mean.

[griffon512]

There's close to a 100% chance a competent grader will determine the card is what it is -- fake. There's around a 95% chance an incompetent grader will determine the card is what it is. In the very off-chance you get a numeric grade your card will be worth around $3,000. In the very high chance they determine it's not real the card will still be worth what it is now, around $3 for a mediocre fake of a high value card. You can calculate the expected value and make the choice on what to do next.

Outside of any debate on whether the card is fake or not, sometimes it's best to lean most on common sense in future questionable purchases. What are the chances that a dealer who knows enough to be aware of an iconic set/player like T206/Cobb will not bother to spend 30 seconds on the Internet to find out: 1) that it is not a T206?; 2) that if it was a T206 or E102, it would be worth around 20x what he sold it to you for in very low grade condition?

I don't mean this post to sound critical, just trying to help going forward.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Not saying it is real, but to me it looks like the same font. I added another authentic back for comparison purposes along with the Cobb from the OP.

Brian

If you look at the top two pictures where they are side by side... The "N" on "Shean" falls away on the bottom right on both, and the "A" in "Knabe" seems smaller than other "A"s, on both. I'm thinking the backs are very similar. I'd risk a few bucks and send it in. Upside is way bigger than downside.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Guys, it's not a real E102 Cobb that was mistakenly listed as a T206 that sold for under $200. It's fake. Take your loss or get a refund if you can. The corners aren't even naturally worn, they were cut with scissors.

[ullmandds]

are your pics from a cell phone? if you can post scans...that'd be better!

[fisherboy7]

The front scan was questionable/not conclusive, but the back is the dead giveaway that it's a fake. The card stock and printing is all wrong.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by fisherboy7

The front scan was questionable/not conclusive, but the back is the dead giveaway that it's a fake. The card stock and printing is all wrong.

exactly

[Aj-hman]

"I'll tell you what, you can get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it." Tommy Boy

Man.... I hope this card is a fake! Thought a little levity would be good.

[VWruss]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

are your pics from a cell phone? if you can post scans...that'd be better!

Cell phone pics are the best I can do right now. And then they are cropped to get within size.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

You can also send scans in to PSA for their quick opinion service first and see what they say.

That is only for autographs, unless they changed it recently.

[bigfanNY]

I really hope he took Pete's advice and took the card back for a refund.

[Bugsy]

If you have a black light, that could answer the question. If its a fake, I'm guessing the paper with illuminate with the black light test.

[Fuddjcal]

[QUOTE=Aj-hman;1892173]"I'll tell you what, you can get a good look at a t-bone by sticking your head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it." Tommy Boy


exactly.

[VWruss]

I would hate for the guy to have a chance to do the same again. I'll just sit on the loss and learn from it. Thanks for the help.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by swarmee

That is only for autographs, unless they changed it recently.

I didn't realize that. I've seen the service advertised but haven't really looked into it.

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by VWruss

I would hate for the guy to have a chance to do the same again. I'll just sit on the loss and learn from it. Thanks for the help.

Even worse, you’re letting the seller think it’s okay to do this again to rip off someone else. Tell him it’s fake, send it back, get your refund and keep an eye out for it again to warn others...

[charlietheexterminator]

What else does the seller have for sale, it would help. He might have another E102 Cobb in the same condition, maybe even a T206 Wagner, a few 33 Goudey Ruth’s or a great looking 52 Topps Mantle for under $200.

[Republicaninmass]

Please.link to auction, I'd like to know the seller

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by VWruss

I would hate for the guy to have a chance to do the same again. I'll just sit on the loss and learn from it. Thanks for the help.

Dude, I don't know you from a hole in the wall, but you have to see how your quote (above) now puts you in a very suspicious light. If you got ripped off by a scammer for $200 and you're just going to chalk it up to experience and do nothing about it, I imagine every single one of us is wondering if the 'fake' has been, in fact, yours all along and you posted the pics here to see if it was good enough to fool people. You can just throw $200 away?? This type of thing happens on the autograph side, where (probable) forgers will ask for opinions on big name signatures they are "thinking of buying" for the sole intent of seeing if their handiwork is getting good enough to trick the experts on the board. Again, to be clear, I don't know you, so I may be way off base, but I guarantee this is what most people are thinking at the moment.

[Republicaninmass]

Yep, post Ebay auction please

[brianp-beme]

The OP mentioned previously he did not get card from ebay. Nor has he stated where in the heck it came from...

Brian

[CobbSpikedMe]

I don't think there will be a link to an auction anytime soon. I have to agree with Darren on this one.

[griffon512]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Dude, I don't know you from a hole in the wall, but you have to see how your quote (above) now puts you in a very suspicious light. If you got ripped off by a scammer for $200 and you're just going to chalk it up to experience and do nothing about it, I imagine every single one of us is wondering if the 'fake' has been, in fact, yours all along and you posted the pics here to see if it was good enough to fool people. You can just throw $200 away?? This type of thing happens on the autograph side, where (probable) forgers will ask for opinions on big name signatures they are "thinking of buying" for the sole intent of seeing if their handiwork is getting good enough to trick the experts on the board. Again, to be clear, I don't know you, so I may be way off base, but I guarantee this is what most people are thinking at the moment.

Darren's skepticism is warranted. What's your response VWruss? Would love to hear details of the backstory or some verifiable info on the seller. "Gee shucks, how did I do on my tag sale purchase," is a yellow flag for a tagline -- if you knew enough to join this board I'm guessing you're very familiar with Google searches. "Live and learn" on throwing away ~$200 means you either have a great attitude and should be commended or Darren is likely right....