BGS 9.5 to PSA 10

e107collector · #1 06-09-2015, 05:46 PM

Anyone on the board have any luck crossing over BGS 9.5 cards to PSA 10's?

I don't want to take a chance and crack them out and submit them raw. My luck I would damage the cards.

Any info is appreciated.

Tony

bobbyw8469 · #2 06-10-2015, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by e107collector

Anyone on the board have any luck crossing over BGS 9.5 cards to PSA 10's?

I don't want to take a chance and crack them out and submit them raw. My luck I would damage the cards.

Any info is appreciated.

Tony

Cracking cards is always a gamble. You can be rewarded. Or it can be an adventure.

t206blogcom · #3 06-10-2015, 11:34 AM

I haven't tried it, but I have a stack of 9.5s I eventually want to (hopefully) cross over to PSA 10s.

GehrigFan · #4 06-11-2015, 08:11 AM

Honestly, as Director of Beckett Grading for 15+ years, the feedback I always received was that PSA is very hesitant to cross SGC or BGS/BVG cards... that your chances are far better submitting them raw. I will say it is hard to see the nuances of the cards through the holders so I understand their hesitation with assigning a grade before they can crack the holder.

If you crack it first, you also are not guaranteed the option of getting it back in a BGS 9.5 holder if PSA doesn't grade it a 10. So it is a huge gamble. Honesty is the best policy with BGS - crack it, send it to PSA, if it isn't graded a 10, send back the card, the original BGS flip and the slab and tell them you tried to cross it but would like it regarded in a BGS 9.5 (or review for Pristine). Unless it looks like the card was monkeyed with, they will probably regrade it the same. Still, not a guarantee.

Personally, I would only try resubmitting (in holders) BGS 9.5's back to Beckett that are close to a 10, and PSA 10's that are close to a BGS 9.5 or 10, but wouldn't mess with cracking BGS 9.5's for PSA to look at. To big of risk versus a very meager reward usually.

Mark

Peter_Spaeth · #5 06-11-2015, 08:37 AM

In my opinion, a 10 is often an arbitrary grade. I would guess that if you took 50 well centered 9s and 50 10s of the same card and cracked them out and resubmitted, the results would be dramatically different, if not random.

4815162342 · #6 06-11-2015, 09:39 AM

I don't see how it is possible to crack a gem mint card from a slab without causing the minute amount of damage necessary to differentiate a gem mint card from a mint or near-mint-to-mint card. Do you guys employ the services of robot surgeons?

pokerplyr80 · #7 06-11-2015, 11:01 AM

I have quite a few psa 10s of modern cards that would be worth substantially more if they could cross to BGS pristine. Has anyone successfully pulled that off? I would be hesitant to crack myself for obvious reasons.

t206blogcom · #8 06-11-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I have quite a few psa 10s of modern cards that would be worth substantially more if they could cross to BGS pristine.

Why do you feel BGS would be more valuable over PSA 10?

crose · #9 06-12-2015, 11:58 AM

I sent in a 9.5 BGS card before to PSA in the BGS holder and it came back a 10. This was more for my collecting pleasure than an monetary gain the card may have achieved. The card in question was a chrome auto with a 10 centering sub grade and one 9 sub grade can't remember which one though. Maybe I just got lucky.

e107collector · #10 07-01-2015, 01:58 PM

What if all the subgrades on the BGS 9.5 are 9.5 or higher? I would have to think they would cross to a PSA 10. Correct?

Only reason why I ask is that the 3 cards I have are selling for multiples higher in a PSA 10, compared to the BGS 9.5 case they are currently in.

Subs on the BGS 9.5's are 10 centering, 9.5 edges, 9.5 corners, 9.5 surface.

Anyone ever not had a card cross to a PSA 10 with those subs?

Thanks,
Tony

WillBBC · #11 07-02-2015, 08:07 AM

I had a 9.5 turn into an 8. That one really ticked me off.

I still can't see a flaw on the card. I'll scan it later.

Peter_Spaeth · #12 07-02-2015, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by e107collector

What if all the subgrades on the BGS 9.5 are 9.5 or higher? I would have to think they would cross to a PSA 10. Correct?

Only reason why I ask is that the 3 cards I have are selling for multiples higher in a PSA 10, compared to the BGS 9.5 case they are currently in.

Subs on the BGS 9.5's are 10 centering, 9.5 edges, 9.5 corners, 9.5 surface.

Anyone ever not had a card cross to a PSA 10 with those subs?

Thanks,
Tony

The subs mean nothing. By far the most important for PSA is the state of the corners, and 9.5 corners, in or out of a holder, could easily go either way. These distinctions between Mint and Gem Mint are, in my opinion, often quite arbitrary.

pokerplyr80 · #13 07-02-2015, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by t206blogcom

Why do you feel BGS would be more valuable over PSA 10?

Any card in a BGS 10 is worth far more than a PSA 10 because the grade is supposedly much higher to attain. According to beckett a bgs 9.5 is equivalent to a PSA 10.

Look up any rookie card from the 80s or 90s to see sale price differences. I don't think many if any 70s and earlier cards have been graded BVG 10.

For example when Michael Jordan PSA 10s were selling for 10k BGS 10s were selling for 50k. Currently 89 upper deck griffey rcs are worth around 300 in psa 10 but over 2k in BGS 10. The value is due to limited supply and collector perception.

sbfinley · #14 07-02-2015, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by e107collector

I don't want to take a chance and crack them out and submit them raw. My luck I would damage the cards.

Sub them in the BGS holders as a cross-over sub and declare a minimum accepted grade. They will only crack the BGS slabs if they strongly believe the cards will meet the minimum requirement. There is a chance a raw is returned to you that did not meet the grade you requested, but odds are if it won't cross it will be returned in the slab.

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Originally Posted by t206blogcom

Why do you feel BGS would be more valuable over PSA 10?

BGS pristine (BGS 10) cards have shown to carry a premium (especially modern cards) over their PSA 10 and SGC 98 counterparts. Cards that can acquire the new BGS Black label will blow them all out of the water and all bets are off.

For example:
BGS 9.5: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Bowman-...item1a00461579

PSA 10: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Bowman-...item541fef5b11

BGS 10: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-BGS-10-Pri...item1c5185b11f

BGS 10 Black Label: http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Bowman-...item1a00a3985b

And

PSA 10: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-Score-T...item43dea12c98

BGS Black Label: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1989-Score-R...item5d59738487

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

These distinctions between Mint and Gem Mint are, in my opinion, often quite arbitrary.

This is 100% accurate.

pokerplyr80 · #15 07-02-2015, 12:18 PM

Has anyone successfully crossed a PSA 10 to a BGS 10? Or even tried?

That 1989 score example almost makes me want to buy about 100 PSA 10s to cross. Surely one of them would get the black label, right?

swarmee · #16 06-04-2019, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

That 1989 score example almost makes me want to buy about 100 PSA 10s to cross. Surely one of them would get the black label, right?

Submit them through this guy:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297069

You might get 60 or 70...

NYYFan63 · #17 06-04-2019, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by e107collector

Anyone on the board have any luck crossing over BGS 9.5 cards to PSA 10's?

I don't want to take a chance and crack them out and submit them raw. My luck I would damage the cards.

Any info is appreciated.

Tony

I have sent several BGS 9.5’s to PSA to cross over and have had about a 50/75% success rate. I would recommend send Quad 9.5’s or better. I have sent all in the BGS slab and have not cracked any. I don’t want to risk damaging the card.

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swarmee · #18 06-05-2019, 03:09 AM

This thread belongs in the modern discussion forum.