T212 Major Leaguers

[The Nasty Nati]

Anyone have a list of all of the players from the T212 set that went on to play in the major leagues?

[trdcrdkid]

Lew Lipset says in The Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards that 40% of the players in T212 played in the major leagues, but he doesn't provide a full list, and I can't seem to find one. Lipset does indicate in his checklists which players in T209-2 and T210 played in the majors, but not T212 for some reason. In the text of his article he mentions Chet Chadbourne, Paul Strand, Chick Gandil, Buck Weaver, Ping Bodie, Duffy Lewis, Roger Peckinpaugh, Ossie Vitt, and Jacques Fournier, but that's a very partial list.

[brianp-beme]

This is most likely an incomplete (Now with 2018 editing more likely complete) listing of players pictured in the three Obak issues that played in the Major Leagues, as I was cross-referencing lists that are likely not complete, and also did not want to include players I wasn't sure about. Perhaps someone on here (hi Rhett?) has the most accurate database for this.

The 1909 issue only pictures players from the Pacific Coast League, whereas the 1910 and 1911 sets also picture players from Northwest League teams. The Pacific Coast League definitely produced quite a few major leaguers, whereas the Northwest League, being not quite at the same level of play as the PCL, has considerably less representatives on this list.

One point of potential interest. Many players are pictured in more than one year. The 1909 set has completely different artwork than the 1910 and 1911 set. The 1910 and 1911 sets share artwork when a player, included in both issues, remained on the same team (for example George Cutshaw of Oakland). The artwork for players who changed team designations in the 1911 set will be different than what is seen in the 1910 set (like Tom Seaton with Seattle NWL in 1910 and Portland PCL in 1911).

Hope this helps, and others feel free to put me to shame. I have capitalized all the 2018 additions to this list.

Brian


1909

Los Angeles PCL - JOHN BEALL, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Walter Nagle, JESSE ORNSDORFF, JUD SMITH, GEORGE WHEELER

Oakland PCL - Duffy Lewis, HOWARD MURPHY, Don Ragan, Bill Reidy, Jimmy Wiggs

Portland PCL - Albert Carson, Gus Fisher, JACK GRANEY, Walt McCreedie, IVY OLSON, Bud Ryan

Sacramento PCL - FRED BROWN, Jim Byrnes, Chick Gandil, CHARLIE GRAHAM, FRED RAYMER

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Browning, Kid Mohler, Thomas Tennant, Rollie Zeider

Vernon PCL - CURTIS BERNARD, JOHN BRACKENRIDGE, Drummond Brown, CHARLES EAGAN, Roy Hitt, JESSE STOVALL


1910

Los Angeles PCL - CURTIS BERNARD, Roy Castleton, Thomas Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, HOWARD MURPHY, JESSE ORNSDORFF, Walter Nagle, JUD SMITH, Bill Tozer

Oakland PCL - George Cutshaw, WILLIAM HOGAN, Henry Lively, WALT MOSER, EDWARD SWANDER, Chester Thomas, Clyde Wares, Harry Wolverton

Portland PCL - CHARLEY ARMBRUSTER, Gus Fisher, Vean Gregg, Gus Hettling, Gene Krapp, Walt McCreedie, MILO NETZEL, IVY OLSON, JOHN PERRINE, BUD RYAN, Tom Seaton, Bill Steen

Sacramento PCL - FRED BROWN, Bill Steen, Harold Danzig, CLIFF DARINGER, Jacques Fournier, BENJAMIN HOWARD, Chet Nourse, HANK PERRY, FRED RAYMER, Ed Van Buren

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Bodie, Frank Browning, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt

Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, NORMAN BRASHEAR, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, GUS FISHER, Roy Hitt, William Lindsay, JOHN RALEIGH, JESSE STOVALL

Seattle NWL - JUSTIN BENNETT, JOHN FRISK, BERT HALL, JAMES JOHNSTON, MIKE LYNCH, George Pennington, Tom Seaton, GUS THOMPSON, GEORGE ZACKERT

Spokane NWL - Jesse Baker, PHIL COONEY, JOHN HICKEY, Jack Killilay, ED KIPPERT, LOUIS NORDYKE, HENRY OSTDIEK

Tacoma NWL - Cliff Blankenship, JIM BYRNES, CURTIS COLEMAN, ISSAC ROCKENFIELD, CHARLIE SCHMUTZ, CONRAD STARKEL

Vancouver NWL - BILL BRINKER, Drummond Brown, HARRY GARDNER, ED KUSEL, JOE SUDGEN


1911

Los Angeles PCL - Fred Abbott, Curtis Bernard, Tom Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Charley Moore, Bill Tozer

Oakland PCL - Harry Ables, George Cutshaw, John Flater, Gus Hetling, Izzy Hoffman, Harl Maggert, William Pearce, Henry Pernoll, MONTE PYFL, Clyde Wares, JIMMY WIGGS, Harry Wolverton, Elmer Zacher

Portland PCL - Shad Barry, Chet Chadbourne, Elmer Koestner, Art Krueger, Walt Kuhn, Walt McCreedie, Roger Peckinpaugh, Wilbur Rodgers, Bud Ryan, Tom Seaton, Tommy Sheehan, Bill Steen

Sacramento PCL - Frank Arrellanes, Harold Danzig, BENJAMIN HUNT, Bert Lerchen, Chris Mahoney, Chet Nourse, Patsy O'Rourke, Chester Thomas, Ed Van Buren

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Frank Browning, Thomas Madden, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Doc Moskiman, JOSEPH O'ROURKE, Walter Schmidt, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt, Buck Weaver, Carl Zamloch

Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, ALBERT CARSON, Roy Castleton, Roy Hitt, John Kane, Ham Patterson, John Raleigh

Portland NWL - FRED LAMLINE, Ed Mensor, JESSE STOVALL

Seattle NWL - ART BUES, JOHN KADING, Bill Leard, DAVID SKEELS, GEORGE ZACKERT

Spokane NWL - PHIL COONEY, JOHN FRISK, ED KIPPERT, MILO NETZEL, LOUIS NORDYKE, HENRY OSTDIEK, Paul Strand

Tacoma NWL - CURTIS COLEMAN, EDDIE HIGGINS, PETER MORSE, ISSAC ROCKENFIELD, CHARLIE SCHMUTZ

Vancouver NWL - JUSTIN BENNETT, NORMAN BRASHEAR, BILL BRINKER

Victoria NWL - ED HOUSEHOLDER, FRED RAYMER, Jack Roche, CONRAD STARKEL, BLAINE THOMAS

[Leon]

Your edit reason is my normal MO.....great info, thanks for sharing, my friend.... We should show a T212 major-leaguer...... This T212 is my only one ...

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

This is most likely an incomplete listing of players pictured in the three Obak issues that played in the Major Leagues, as I was cross-referencing lists that are likely not complete, and also did not want to include players I wasn't sure about. Perhaps someone on here (hi Rhett?) has the most accurate database for this.

The 1909 issue only pictures players from the Pacific Coast League, whereas the 1910 and 1911 sets also picture players from Northwest League teams. The Pacific Coast League definitely produced quite a few major leaguers, whereas the Northwest League, being not quite at the same level of play as the PCL, has considerably less representatives on this list.

One point of potential interest. Many players are pictured in more than one year. The 1909 set has completely different artwork than the 1910 and 1911 set. The 1910 and 1911 sets share artwork when a player, included in both issues, remained on the same team (for example George Cutshaw of Oakland). The artwork for players who changed team designations in the 1911 set will be different than what is seen in the 1910 set (like Tom Seaton with Seattle NWL in 1910 and Portland PCL in 1911).

Hope this helps, and others feel free to put me to shame.

Brian


1909

Los Angeles PCL - Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Walter Nagle

Oakland PCL - Duffy Lewis, Don Ragan, Bill Reidy

Portland PCL - Albert Carson, Gus Fisher, Walt McCreedie, Bud Ryan

Sacramento PCL - Jim Byrnes, Chick Gandil

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Browning, Kid Mohler, Thomas Tennant, Rollie Zeider

Vernon PCL - Drummond Brown, Roy Hitt


1910

Los Angeles PCL - Roy Castleton, Thomas Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Walter Nagle, Bill Tozer,

Oakland PCL - George Cutshaw, Henry Lively, Chester Thomas, Clyde Wares, Harry Wolverton

Portland PCL - Gus Fisher, Vean Gregg, Gus Hettling, Gene Krapp, Walt McCreedie, Tom Seaton, Bill Steen

Sacramento PCL - Bill Steen, Harold Danzig, Jacques Fournier, Chet Nourse, Ed Van Buren

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Ping Bodie, Frank Bodie, Frank Browning, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt

Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, Roy Hitt, William Lindsay

Seattle NWL - George Pennington, Tom Seaton

Spokane NWL - Jesse Baker, Jack Killilay

Tacoma NWL - Cliff Blankenship

Vancouver NWL - Drummond Brown


1911

Los Angeles PCL - Fred Abbott, Curtis Bernard, Tom Daley, Lee Delhi, Pop Dillon, Ivan Howard, Charley Moore, Bill Tozer

Oakland PCL - Harry Ables, George Cutshaw, John Flater, Gus Hetling, Izzy Hoffman, Harl Maggert, William Pearce, Henry Pernoll, Clyde Wares, Harry Wolverton, Elmer Zacher

Portland PCL - Shad Barry, Chet Chadbourne, Elmer Koestner, Art Krueger, Walt Kuhn, Walt McCreedie, Roger Peckinpaugh, Wilbur Rodgers, Bud Ryan, Tom Seaton, Tommy Sheehan, Bill Steen

Sacramento PCL - Frank Arrelanes, Harold Danzig, Bert Lerchen, Chris Mahoney, Chet Nourse, Patsy O'Rourke, Chester Thomas, Ed Van Buren

San Francisco PCL - Claude Berry, Frank Browning, Thomas Madden, Frank Miller, Kid Mohler, Doc Moskiman, Walter Schmidt, Hunky Shaw, Harry Suter, Tom Tennant, Ossie Vitt, Buck Weaver, Carl Zamloch

Vernon PCL - John Brackenridge, Roy Brashear, Drummond Brown, Walter Carlisle, Roy Castleton, Roy Hitt, John Kane, Ham Patterson, John Raleigh

Portland NWL - Ed Mensor

Seattle NWL - Bill Leard

Spokane NWL - Paul Strand

Victoria NWL - Jack Roche

[whaler]

Here's another:

[judsonhamlin]

I think Jimmy Wiggs (of E 107) should be on there as well

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Judson. I was utilizing a list created for Zeenut major leaguers, and only listed ones I was pretty positive crossed over to the Obak set as well. Cases where a player with a common name that was possibly in
much later Zeenut issues I left off, just in case there was another similarly named fellow who was active later on. Also I am probably missing ones that did not have any Zeenut cards issued.

I will add Wiggs, and would appreciate any other (major league) contributions.

Brian

[The Nasty Nati]

Thanks Brian! Just the list I was looking for. And great idea Leon, let's see some T212s major leaguers.

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Thanks Judson. I was utilizing a list created for Zeenut major leaguers, and only listed ones I was pretty positive crossed over to the Obak set as well. Cases where a player with a common name that was possibly in
much later Zeenut issues I left off, just in case there was another similarly named fellow who was active later on. Also I am probably missing ones that did not have any Zeenut cards issued.

I will add Wiggs, and would appreciate any other (major league) contributions.

Brian

[mybuddyinc]

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

I think Jimmy Wiggs (of E 107) should be on there as well

Yup ..............


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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I'd add Jesse Stovall (misspelled Stovell) on Vernon in 1910. Brother to the much better known George Stovall. Digging through the set right now getting ready for tomorrow's auction start!

[OLDBILL]

And for those that crossed over, a list of those with major league baseball cards would be interesting...

[brianp-beme]

Oddly enough, last night I just came across an article from September/October 1997 issue of the VCBC by Jeff Obermeyer that deals with this very subject, and which I had forgotten about. I have updated the third post in this thread with all the major league player additions (these additions capitalized in my list) based upon a very handy list in the article.

Here shortly I will post Jeff's list, which includes the MLB teams and years played for each player, as well as a listing (identified as incomplete) of MLB players in the Obak issues that appeared in other sets, with those sets identified.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Hopefully posting these is hunky dory. The original version of these lists were published in SCD in 1985 by John Spalding.

Brian

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

oddly enough on the list above Stovall is spelled yet another way lol "Stoval" So much for my big discovery though.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I've looked and come up dry. Is there a similar list for T210's?