Show your Hunt and RMY photo wins

[Runscott]

2 great photo auctions just ended. I'm curious where all these gems ended up.

[btcarfagno]

I was bottom feeding for the most part. Got a few Conlan HOF umpires, some cheap Wilbert Robinson's, a Frank Chance with a chipped corner and the Admiral Schlei Thompson T 205 image.

The only big-ish one I got was the Cobb Brunner's Bread image.

Also got a couple cheap action shots of Martin Dihigo as well as the Babe Didrikson/Joe Hauser images from RMY.

[whitey19thcentury]

In the Hunt Auction, I won lots

51, 92, 97, 105, 126, 355 (the Phillippe T205 image), 389, 423, and 602. The non-Pirates related images are for resale. If anyone is interested on here, let me know.

[Runscott]

Tom, I was the high internet bidder on the Brunner's Cobb, but set my limit at $1,200. I think it was a good pick-up at what you paid, I just didn't have the dough. My plan was to clean up the messy bits of the background...after consulting you guys of course.

My favorite pick-up was the Gonzales catcher-gear Conlon.

Scott

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

I was bottom feeding for the most part. Got a few Conlan HOF umpires, some cheap Wilbert Robinson's, a Frank Chance with a chipped corner and the Admiral Schlei Thompson T 205 image.

The only big-ish one I got was the Cobb Brunner's Bread image.

Also got a couple cheap action shots of Martin Dihigo as well as the Babe Didrikson/Joe Hauser images from RMY.

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Tom, I was the high internet bidder on the Brunner's Cobb, but set my limit at $1,200. I think it was a good pick-up at what you paid, I just didn't have the dough. My plan was to clean up the messy bits of the background...after consulting you guys of course.

My favorite pick-up was the Gonzales catcher-gear Conlon.

Scott

Are photos more like movie posters in as much as restoration is fine, and sometimes preferable, if it is disclosed?

[MartyFromCANADA]

I got 3 Gibson's from Hunt. (Not the t205 image - under-bidder)

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Are photos more like movie posters in as much as restoration is fine, and sometimes preferable, if it is disclosed?

I believe so. In the case of your Cobb it used to be a clean print, then the grey masking was added, then someone apparently got parts of it wet and smudged it. To me, cleaning up the smudged area is fine - even cleaning off all the grey masking would be okay if you could do so without damaging the emulsion. Many of the more expensive photos in this auction have had the masking removed (per Hunt auction descriptions) and it didn't seem to affect prices adversely.

I always clean off anything on a print that is visually unappealing. Here are some of my wins from today (I won't be cleaning up Al).

[TCMA]

Congrats to all the winners! That Gonzalez shot is among my favorites within the collection.


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[Forever Young]

T205 image

[Scott Garner]

Congrats to the other RMY winners.

I ended up winning Lot # 587: 1959 Harvey Haddix, "12 Inning Perfect Game" Congratulations for Hard Luck Loser. It's a photo of Pirates Manager Danny Murtaugh congratulating Haddix on the game that some feel was arguably the greatest game ever pitched. Haddix became the first and only pitcher to hurl over 12 inning of perfect ball before allowing a hit and eventually losing the game.

Original images to this game are scarce & this is one that I had never seen before. I'm thrilled to have been able to add it to my advanced no-hitter collection.

[Bpm0014]

The photos in these 2 auctions were unreal. Some of the greatest photos to come to auction in a while. I won 4 Horners and a Cobb/McGraw from RMY...

[Jobu]

If the winner of the Patterson Horner from RMY is a board member I would appreciate a pm.

Looking forward to seeing some more pick ups!

[pherbener]

I went a little crazy in Hunt. Some additions to my Matty/Giants collection.

[whitey19thcentury]

Paul, awesome Matty pics! I love the one of him at-bat.

Side note, if anyone on here won the Greenberg/Kiner photo in RMY, please PM me.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by pherbener

I went a little crazy in Hunt. Some additions to my Matty/Giants collection.

Congrats on those! Enjoy them. Donlin receiving the gold bat is a favorite of mine.


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[Bicem]

Congrats Paul, your Matty collection is quickly becoming next level.

[packs]

I loved this photo of Hack. Had to have it:

[pherbener]

Thanks guys! I agree Andrew. I really like that one too!

[Dewey]

Shipping my oldest up to university this summer. Have to sit some of these out. The MLK Montgomery bus boycott was a special piece. The Campanella and Newcombe Nashua DOdgers was a cool photo.

Great pickups gents. Some absolute gems this go around.

[JeremyW]

Somehow I missed out on even knowing Hunt Auctions had all these great photos at auction. Congrats to all on some amazing photos. I did manage to pick up & fill a big hole in my collection last weekend from RMY.

[Runscott]

Jeremy - I was dying to start a thread about it, but common sense won out

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by pherbener

I went a little crazy in Hunt. Some additions to my Matty/Giants collection.

These are all great Matty pics, but the 'batting' one was my favorite - I love the early action shots!

I put in three internet bids the other day and had to miss the live auction. Surprisingly, two of them held up. I guess the big-buck photo guys quit after Day 1?

[JeremyW]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Jeremy - I was dying to start a thread about it, but common sense won out

Please tell me that there is not a problem with it. I've been trying to add a Josh Gibson piece to my collection for quite a while & it would crush me.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

Please tell me that there is not a problem with it. I've been trying to add a Josh Gibson piece to my collection for quite a while & it would crush me.

Sorry - I miscommunicated. I meant I was dying to start a thread about the Hunt auction so that we could talk about all the great photos, but I decided not to warn any extra bidders! I know nothing about your photo, but it looks nice.

[JeremyW]

I get it.

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

Somehow I missed out on even knowing Hunt Auctions had all these great photos at auction. Congrats to all on some amazing photos. I did manage to pick up & fill a big hole in my collection last weekend from RMY.

Great pickup Jeremy! I need to add a Gibson to my collection too someday.

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by Runscott

These are all great Matty pics, but the 'batting' one was my favorite - I love the early action shots!

I put in three internet bids the other day and had to miss the live auction. Surprisingly, two of them held up. I guess the big-buck photo guys quit after Day 1?

Thanks Scott! Love the Mel Ott's!

[JeremyW]

Paul- Thanks. I missed out on a few Gibson photos lately & decided it was time.

[eastonfalcon19]

Picked up this Ray Schalk photo.

[T206Jim]

I picked up a couple of photos used for cards. A circa 1908 photo used for the 1911 Baseball Bats Bender and a circa 1905 Thompson photo used for the D304 Lajoie.

Bender-Baseball-Bats-photo.jpg Bender-Baseball-Bats-1911.jpg

D304-Lajoie-photo.jpg D304-Lajoie.jpg

[packs]

I forgot I won this Jess Willard photo too. I can never pass up a Bain:

[TCMA]

There is more to come from Hunt and the Photo File archive. Stay tuned .

[bobfreedman]

Paul Thompson

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

Paul Thompson

Bob, congrats on that one. Beauty .

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by bobfreedman

Paul Thompson

You outbid me on that one Bob! Great image!!!

[perezfan]

Was happy to win a couple of T205 images (Paul Thompson)…

Gaspar and Archer

[ValKehl]

I won this photo of the Senators' pitchers for the 1924 World Series in RMY:
https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=34998

I've long owned a similar photo of the Senators' pitchers for the 1925 World Series which I will probably sell, as my collecting focus is the 1924 Senators.

[Bicem]

The t205 images really are incredible. Thompson had serious skill.

[Dewey]

Originally Posted by Bicem

The t205 images really are incredible. Thompson had serious skill.

Thinking the same thing. Great stuff.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by Bicem

The t205 images really are incredible. Thompson had serious skill.

Many collectors may not realize there are also dozens, if not hundreds more Paul Thompson portraits out there that did not appear on T205’s but are just as great.

For example, the shot on the right is a T205 image, shot on the left is not:






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[sphere and ash]

Originally Posted by Bicem

The t205 images really are incredible. Thompson had serious skill.

Paul Thompson was not a photographer; he was a businessman who ran a large photo agency. None of the images attributed to Thompson were actually taken by him. The images used to make the T205 set were probably taken by a dozen or more different photographers shooting on assignment.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sphere and ash

Paul Thompson was not a photographer; he was a businessman who ran a large photo agency. None of the images attributed to Thompson were actually taken by him. The images used to make the T205 set were probably taken by a dozen or more different photographers shooting on assignment.

There is a post in this thread that says something similar; however, no reference to where he got his information: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=88365

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by sphere and ash

Paul Thompson was not a photographer; he was a businessman who ran a large photo agency. None of the images attributed to Thompson were actually taken by him. The images used to make the T205 set were probably taken by a dozen or more different photographers shooting on assignment.

Can you please share your exact reference for this?

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Can you please share your exact reference for this?

Surprisingly, there is very little info out there on Paul Thompson, though it is known he ran a news photo service. I’m under the impression he was the actual photographer for at least some of the T205 images, as referenced in this 2009 Smithsonian article:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-...j2D9YY0Ue7z.99

The gold borders sported another enhancement—portraits based on a remarkable series of contemplative close-ups by a New York City-based freelance photographer named Paul Thompson. Thompson, who built his reputation and his studio on a sitting with Mark Twain, would hire others to take pictures for him, but the gold-border portraits are attributed to him because they alone are copyrighted under his name.

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[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

T205 image

I'm a little late to the party but this photo is awesome. You can actually see the photographer standing in front of Meyers in the reflection in his pupils. That's cool.



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[TCMA]

Originally Posted by CobbSpikedMe

I'm a little late to the party but this photo is awesome. You can actually see the photographer standing in front of Meyers in the reflection in his pupils. That's cool.

For sure! This is actually the case with many of the portraits. Neat stuff.



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[bobfreedman]

Originally Posted by sphere and ash

Paul Thompson was not a photographer; he was a businessman who ran a large photo agency. None of the images attributed to Thompson were actually taken by him. The images used to make the T205 set were probably taken by a dozen or more different photographers shooting on assignment.

I heard the same thing a few years ago but heard it was Bainthat had many photographers working for his service. I find it difficult to believe that several/many peoples all worked for the same company and all the images look and feel the same way? If you look at all the Paul Thompson photos, they all have the same feel and look. How could have several people all manage that? This also goes for Bain as well? Just curious

[bgar3]

Bob, I once had your new Thompson Joe Wood image, along with a corresponding image of Mathewson with a bat, almost as if taken together.
On The Who was the photographer question I can’t add actual facts or citations, but I can say that as a collector of both Bain and Thompson images in the 80’s and 90’s, before the current craze, all the collectors I knew accepted that the photos were taken by various photographers working for a larger agency. Also I think you can notice quite a difference in some of the Thompson’s which can sometimes be just out of focus. For what it is worth, the early feeling amoung collectors ranked Thompson behind Bain and Conlan in value. All three were of the highest order. There was a show of their work just after the famous Baseball Magazine sale, in New York I believe, but I no longer have my photos or material.
Finally, if Sphere and Ash is who I think he is, he used to possess one of the 3 greatest photo collections I have ever seen and was considered one of the most knowledgeable collectors of the time, who was very helpful to a fellow collector with a small budget.
At the risk of sounding like an Old Timer, which I quess I am, this was all taking place when you could get 100’s of these photos at one time. We would sometimes hold drafts of collections we had purchased, with later trades etc.
the collections that I know are still out there are truly amazing.

[sphere and ash]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Can you please share your exact reference for this?

Many years ago, I found an obituary for Thompson that stated directly that he was not a photographer. I can't find it at the moment, but I do see obituaries that state that he was a writer who saw the business opportunity and founded the photo agency a few years after graduating from Yale [Thompson died in 1940]. There is no contemporary source that states that Thompson was a photographer, which would be quite odd for someone whose name was so widely published.

If you look at the T205 images, you'll see that each city has its own distinct look, supporting the conjecture that each city was taken by a different photographer. The Philadelphia A's photographer, for example, has many of his subjects look away from the camera; the New York Giants' photographer has everyone stare directly into the lens.

Bain was trained as a wet plate photographer, but he was no longer a photojournalist by the time the Bain agency was active.

Thanks, bgar3. I've been following your posts about your Red Stocking and early baseball collection. Glad you're back.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by bgar3

Bob, I once had your new Thompson Joe Wood image, along with a corresponding image of Mathewson with a bat, almost as if taken together.
On The Who was the photographer question I can’t add actual facts or citations, but I can say that as a collector of both Bain and Thompson images in the 80’s and 90’s, before the current craze, all the collectors I knew accepted that the photos were taken by various photographers working for a larger agency. Also I think you can notice quite a difference in some of the Thompson’s which can sometimes be just out of focus. For what it is worth, the early feeling amoung collectors ranked Thompson behind Bain and Conlan in value. All three were of the highest order. There was a show of their work just after the famous Baseball Magazine sale, in New York I believe, but I no longer have my photos or material.
Finally, if Sphere and Ash is who I think he is, he used to possess one of the 3 greatest photo collections I have ever seen and was considered one of the most knowledgeable collectors of the time, who was very helpful to a fellow collector with a small budget.
At the risk of sounding like an Old Timer, which I quess I am, this was all taking place when you could get 100’s of these photos at one time. We would sometimes hold drafts of collections we had purchased, with later trades etc.
the collections that I know are still out there are truly amazing.

Recent craze? Paul Thompson has been getting higher prices(particular in ruth) for a long while now. For good reason, they are beautiful images. Some of them rivaled by no one.
To say Paul Thompson was in no way a photographer and that he took zero photos ever, is just not factual. There is no way of knowing this and the library of Congress disagrees.
Even with a 1940 obit saying something, it was probably written by someone born in the 1800s. Photography was not a glamorous job. Talking in absolutes when absolutes aren’t known, or can never be proven seems odd to me. My guess is neither of you have Paul Thompson centric collections :-)
In my opinion, Paul Thompson credited photos are some of the greatest shots in baseball history. Some are perfect some are less than perfect just like Conlon, Bain, Van Oeyen etc..
I enjoy Some more than others but appreciate all of them.