The Bullpen Challenge

[frankbmd]

Name 240 current major league pitchers who seldom pitch more than one inning.

Don’t cheat.

[tiger8mush]

(hoping this is a community effort, I'll get the ball rolling with the first 5 who come to my mind ...)
1. Dellin Betances (NYY)
2. Chad Green (NYY)
3. David Robertson (NYY)
4. Aroldis Chapman (NYY)
5. Craig Kimbrel (BOS)

[Hxcmilkshake]

Isnt that like 90% of bullpens? 5 guys who throw 95mph for one inning and a "long man"?

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[gopherfan]

I'll add the Twins bullpen that comes to mind.

Taylor Rodgers
Addison Reed
Hildenberger

Actually this is making me depressed. Someone else please finish, I need to cry myself to sleep.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Yeah whoa Twins pen is rough. Long season though

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[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake

Yeah whoa Twins pen is rough. Long season though

That's what makes me sick to my stomach. I don't know if I can handle 162 games of this. There won't be more if they don't go out and get some serious help.

[commishbob]

Here's a list of the effective Orioles relievers..........





......that was easy.

[frankbmd]

The point of this thread is to demonstrate the consequences of baseball analytics on relief pitching with bullpens filled with one inning wonders and lefty-righty match up specialists. Coupled with the increasing inability of starting pitchers to get through the opposing lineup more than two times, the average team has 7-8 of these guys in the pen everyday. A total of 240 in the majors is probably not an exaggeration.

I would venture to say that the average reasonably attentive baseball fan could name no more than 25 of these guys, perhaps less. If you follow your home team, you should be able to name 6 or 7. Add a dozen or so name brand closers, like Kimbrel, Chapman, Familia & Davis could bring you up to 20. Perhaps considering last year’s bullpen for your team would add a few more if you have a good memory.

That leaves roughly 200 anonymous relievers, most of whom can throw over 95 mph, to fill the chairs in the bullpen. Pitching changes add to the length of the games. Remember the golf carts that were used in some stadia to shorten the time of pitching changes way back when. Today’s game needs motorcycles with side cars.

Isn’t it reasonable for a reliever to have the ability to get through a nine man lineup occasionally even it takes 2-3 innngs? If such relievers existed (and they probably do), an extra position player of two could return to the twenty-five man rosters, giving the managers more flexibility in the late innings.

To verify my hypothesis that there may be average reasonably attentive fans on Net54 feel free to see if you can name 25 active major league relievers without looking anywhere except between your ears. Good luck.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Managers dont want extra position players, especially in the AL, where they might play only once a week and get rusty. Whereas your relievers would be in there on the regular , since 6 innings is a *quality start"

I always thought that relievers should not be allowed to throw more warm up pitches from the mound after they've beem warming in the pen. Get em out there and lets go. It would speed things up and even make the relievers not as effective, allowing more offense in the late innings.

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[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by commishbob

here's a list of the effective orioles relievers..........





......that was easy.

lmhao!

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake

I always thought that relievers should not be allowed to throw more warm up pitches from the mound after they've beem warming in the pen. Get em out there and lets go. It would speed things up and even make the relievers not as effective, allowing more offense in the late innings.

I'd like to see a rule where the pitcher who started the inning must throw at least x pitches before being replaced, except for an injury. Basically try to change pitchers in between innings, not 3 times in the middle of an inning with 5 minute commercial breaks for each one.

[FourStrikes]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

The point of this thread is to demonstrate the consequences of baseball analytics on relief pitching with bullpens filled with one inning wonders and lefty-righty match up specialists. Coupled with the increasing inability of starting pitchers to get through the opposing lineup more than two times, the average team has 7-8 of these guys in the pen everyday. A total of 240 in the majors is probably not an exaggeration.

I would venture to say that the average reasonably attentive baseball fan could name no more than 25 of these guys, perhaps less. If you follow your home team, you should be able to name 6 or 7. Add a dozen or so name brand closers, like Kimbrel, Chapman, Familia & Davis could bring you up to 20. Perhaps considering last year’s bullpen for your team would add a few more if you have a good memory.

That leaves roughly 200 anonymous relievers, most of whom can throw over 95 mph, to fill the chairs in the bullpen. Pitching changes add to the length of the games. Remember the golf carts that were used in some stadia to shorten the time of pitching changes way back when. Today’s game needs motorcycles with side cars.

Isn’t it reasonable for a reliever to have the ability to get through a nine man lineup occasionally even it takes 2-3 innngs? If such relievers existed (and they probably do), an extra position player of two could return to the twenty-five man rosters, giving the managers more flexibility in the late innings.

To verify my hypothesis that there may be average reasonably attentive fans on Net54 feel free to see if you can name 25 active major league relievers without looking anywhere except between your ears. Good luck.

Frank:

YOUR thought process/brain = classic! Love reading your posts in an intellectual/analytical way - BRILLIANT!

while I sometimes wish I could have (possess, in a non-stalker sort of way) your physical brain/way of thinking for even an hour, I'm nevertheless scared shitless I couldn't get out!

thanks for your posts! while this particular thread may/may not be the perfect example of your amazing musings, they *always* require reading between the lines, something I completely appreciate!

P.S. - ETA bullpen micromanaging sucks.

[gopherfan]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

I'd like to see a rule where the pitcher who started the inning must throw at least x pitches before being replaced, except for an injury. Basically try to change pitchers in between innings, not 3 times in the middle of an inning with 5 minute commercial breaks for each one.

I like this idea, but how many more "injuries" would we see? Maybe if you take a guy out for injury, he goes on a minimum 5 day relief pitcher only DL.