amazing find !!! original 1912 New York Highlanders Full season ticket book

[megalimey]

amazing find !!! original 1912 New York Highlanders Full season ticket book
it is a complete with all 77 HOME COMPLIMENTARY game coupons
each ticket has the
Greater New York Base Ball Club, of the American League
HOME GAME NUMBER IN RED AND 1912
Frank J Farrell Pres'

1912 was the final season for the Highlanders, before being named the New York Yankees the following year in 1913. It was the teams final season playing their home games at Hilltop Park (1903-1912).
This was also the first year that the New York Yankees franchise wore Pinstripes. so the Game 1 ticket would have been the very 1st Game.

also in 1912 at the Highlanders on Aug 13 Detroit Tigers played
this is the Game where Ty Cobb went into the stands and beat up a NY fan
who actually was deemed a cripple by The NY Press
Cobb would get suspended .

there were some other great game played at Hill Top Park that year
here is a great link to every thing related to this booklet I own
check it out
http://keymancollectibles.com/ticket...meschedule.htm

it could be the rarest find in years

[Bicem]

Wow.

[Al C.risafulli]

Outstanding!

-Al

[Fred]

Now this is cool!

[WillowGrove]

Very cool.

(Please keep intact).

It's great. Congrats!

[TCMA]

Woah, very cool.


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[pherbener]

Great pickup David !!

[kmac32]

That is awesome

[oldjudge]

The tickets have a printed signature of Frank Farrell, the club president. Here is a great SABR bio on him that I found on line. Here was a very interesting fellow:


https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/9c6a7eb4

[gnaz01]

Amazing find

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by pherbener

Great pickup David !!

its amazing I do not see anything like this for years
and then pick up the 1911 Athletics booklet of 24 games and this in the same year , whats the odds of that

[scooter729]

This is a great book! Congratulations!

They do pop up from time to time - I have assembled a small collection of 6 of them now. I bought the 1901 Philadelphia A's book in Heritage last night, which was signed by Connie Mack - that has 25 of the 70 tickets included. That now is the earliest one I have, with a 1917 Boston Braves one being the latest. Not sure how long beyond 1917 that they were manufactured, but would love to hear about others out there.

Here are a couple of others which I have, with ticket stubs included ranging from less than 10 to full books.

[Kzoo]

David............Not to be too nosey about your 'find', but tell us how you 'found' it. That's what I find most interesting about these items, the story behind it......Matt

[oldjudge]

Interesting recipient for that Boston ticket book.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Interesting recipient for that Boston ticket book.

I thought the same thing, but it couldn't be THE one, as he was born in 1917

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Interesting recipient for that Boston ticket book.

I wish - the book is from 1913, and our 35th president was born in 1917. But the recipient of this was a cousin of his who was a schoolmaster in Boston if I recall. I looked into this JFK - sadly he passed away in an accident late in August 1913, and all of the unused tickets were from after his passing. I wonder if he had used all of them prior to his death.

[seattlerainiers]

Here are a few from two International League teams from the same era, 1915 Montreal Royals and 1917 Buffalo Bisons.

[oldjudge]

I'll join the party--1886 NY Giants almost complete ticket book signed by John B Day:

[oldjudge]

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[oldjudge]

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[Al C.risafulli]

This thread gets better every time I come back.

-Al

[Shoeless Moe]

https://www.ebay.com/sch/megalimey/m...p2046732.m1684

[oldjudge]

Pity-Looks like some idiot distroyed the book

[Davidlisa]

So am I correct in assuming they were never used ?

[h2oya311]

sad to see that the ebay seller and the name of the original poster are one and the same...

[Rookiemonster]

That’s a piece of history!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Now it's lots of pieces of history...

If he's getting $50 a game he destroyed it for $3850. Assuming he can sell every game. What could he have gotten for it whole?

[yanks12025]

"Could be the rarest find in years", so lets destroy it.

[WillowGrove]

OP, im sorry you decided the tear apart that coupon book. May I ask, did you try to sell it as found? Id have been interested. Dang.

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

sad to see that the ebay seller and the name of the original poster are one and the same...

Hi all I guess I am that villain and original poster and the ebay seller
thanks for the replies, I have been buying and selling Baseball Related items
for over 30 years spent in access over $100,000, I also have a large collection of baseball tickets that I will probably never sell. As I acquire these collections from various places,
I decide what I will keep for my own personal collection , what I will trade or sell , I then spend more money in the hobby to acquire more stuff ,rinse and repeat , I am retired I love collecting vintage baseball related items . But I am not a hoarder , and feel its ok to sell off or trade "MY" items as I see fit.
FYI I had a very substantial offer to sell the entire booklet , where I could have made a nice profit , but that would mean not owning any of the tickets so I turned it down.

Many people new to the Hobby of ticket collecting may never have an opportunity to own one of these 1912 Highlander tickets ever at a nominal price .
based on how quick they sold and i the fact I have many repeat buyers
i am making a lot of people happy .
I understand on this board when you post something ,its subject for discussion and for members to voice their opinions
good bad or ugly , but it was my choice to break up booklet so I could keep some tickets , and offer others for sale or trade.
is that so terrible ,

[KMayUSA6060]

How many 1912 Highlanders tickets are known?

Edit: To me, the item is the booklet of tickets, not the tickets themselves. To break it up is like taking a T206 Honus and cutting it into smaller pieces so that people can own the pieces of history.

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by WillowGrove

OP, im sorry you decided the tear apart that coupon book. May I ask, did you try to sell it as found? Id have been interested. Dang.

I had a very substantial offer to sell the entire booklet as is , where I could have made a nice profit , but that would mean not owning any of the tickets so I turned it down.
I don't need to make a killing and it was never my intention , and at least now some collectors can say they
have some thing very rare that they got at a reasonable price.
Not the very wealthy collector who would have stashed in his vault never to have seen the light of day

[RedsFan1941]

thanks for all you're doing for the hobby

[npa589]

Originally Posted by RedsFan1941

thanks for all you're doing for the hobby

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by KMayUSA6060

How many 1912 Highlanders tickets are known?

Edit: To me, the item is the booklet of tickets, not the tickets themselves. To break it up is like taking a T206 Honus and cutting it into smaller pieces so that people can own the pieces of history.

there were 77 individual tickets , the booklet was missing front and back cover so not officially complete. I only really wanted 4 Games for my collection the rest I was more than happy to offer to the general public .
they are very happy I did . I have received over 40 emails & PMs asking for individual tickets to certain games , I am sure none could have afforded to buy the book complete .

I guess in retrospect
I should have not let anyone know my great find, or offer any for sale , hid it my vault till the day I died , so then some one else could buy it , sell it for a huge profit it ,or it get thrown away as almost happened with this Booklet.

[oldjudge]

Your argument is the same one used to cut up a Babe Ruth bat or uniform so a lot of people can have a piece. That booklet lasted over one hundred years till you decided to destroy it. Shame on you. The hobby is better without generous people like you.

[Topnotchsy]

Originally Posted by megalimey

there were 77 individual tickets , the booklet was missing front and back cover so not officially complete. I only really wanted 4 Games for my collection the rest I was more than happy to offer to the general public .
they are very happy I did . I have received over 40 emails & PMs asking for individual tickets to certain games , I am sure none could have afforded to buy the book complete .

I guess in retrospect
I should have not let anyone know my great find, or offer any for sale , hid it my vault till the day I died , so then some one else could buy it , sell it for a huge profit it ,or it get thrown away as almost happened with this Booklet.

The booklet was yours and you are fully entitled to do with it what you want. While it was definitely cool together, the individual tickets are also very collectible.

At the same time, I don't think it should surprise you that some people are bothered by what you did. People are entitled to those opinions, and posting here (especially after the excitement of the initial post) means the reality of this.

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Your argument is the same one used to cut up a Babe Ruth bat or uniform so a lot of people can have a piece. That booklet lasted over one hundred years till you decided to destroy it. Shame on you. The hobby is better without generous people like you.

I would disagree with than analogy. Each ticket is a stand alone item. The "ticket book" was created so that the purchaser in 1912 could remove each ticket for a game. The removal of the ticket meant you still had a book with some tickets and a single ticket. It is not a literary work. A bat or jersey is a single item. Taking it apart does not create an item that can stand alone on its own. It would be a piece of wood, wool, button or sawdust. Would I have done the same thing he did? I have. Some of the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition tickets are also considered Olympics tickets. You could purchase a full book of tickets for each day of the expo. They also put your photo inside the booklet with your name. The booklet looks very similar to this one with 5 small tickets (about 3/4" x 2") per 'page'. They were also numbered by the day of the year i.e. #155 would be May 5th the 155th day of the year. The ones for the athletic, swimming and golf sell very well on their own.

Several have said it was his and he could do with it what he wished. I would suspect that many people on this board do something with their collection that others would say is wrong. If you own it, it is your right to do as you see fit.

[steve B]

To me this is a tough one.

Personally I prefer stuff kept as-is unless there's a good reason to make changes. Even some of the semi-junk I've gotten over the years I've kept as original as possible - like card sets I got through the mail that I've kept in the original packing.

But I also do some stuff with old magazines which is a closer analogy. I've bought a lot of them, most from one source. Some are in great condition, and hopefully if the kids don't want them years from now, someone else will.
But others... Some were in bad condition already, others were partly cut up by the guy I got them from as source material for his nostalgia magazine.

Do I take ads or articles out of the nice ones? No, just won't do that.
Do I take ads or articles out of the ones that are missing portions/covers/ etc already? Yes, I do. Not always something I do in a hurry, sometimes the thing I want would damage a better item if it was cut, so it's a choice.

I'd have probably kept the book together.
But it was missing the covers, and the top page was a bit rough.

If it was the only one, I'd think it would be best if it stayed together. If there are others from the same year that are nicer, or at least complete, then maybe.

I don't buy the argument that a seller is "providing people a chance to own a piece of something they couldn't afford" That's just justifying. (And my other reasons fringe on politics, so I'll avoid that. If you have to know, just email me)
I also only partly get the "it's mine to do as I wish" Yeah, it is. But it was here before you, and without being broken up would be here long after you and I are gone. The cards the Goudey co burned to heat the building were theirs to do that, but I'm sure we all wish they hadn't (except maybe anyone who owns an uncut sheet...) A lot of what we collect wasn't really intended to be kept for years, but I'm sure we're all glad it was. That we can be custodians of those things so they're there for future generations is pretty cool.

Now, there are exceptions. When the Smithsonian restored at least a couple of the cloth covered planes they partly funded the restoration by selling photos of the plane framed along with a one inch square of the original cloth covering. At the time that old cloth would have rotted away at the Garber facility that was shot on storage, or been thrown away. And having a textile mill create a short run of the exact fabric was probably really expensive. (I've seen where another museum did something similar, but had a bunch of the cloth made and offered it to owners of the same sort of plane. )

So OP, yes, yours to do as you wish, and it's been broken up now so not much point. But I'd ask you one thing.... Take some of the money and rescue some bit of the past from some sort of inevitable oblivion. There's a lot out there, I used to find it pretty often, and for very little. Like some route salesmans books and some letters and other paperwork from a 7-up bottler that was at an estate sale - on the floor behind the furnace, with other "trash" they would have thrown away the next day. Not really valuable, but interesting. I got the whole pile for I think $5.

[hshrimps]

As far as someone offered $8k for the whole ticket book.

[Fred]

The following made me want to puke.....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Christy-Mat...53.m1438.l2649

Breaking this ticket book apart could be viewed as a shame but it wasn't complete to begin with. The Matty transfer document being cut up was just STUPID. The card should have been a mail in redemption ticket to obtain the whole uncut document.

[megalimey]

Originally Posted by steve B

To me this is a tough one.

Personally I prefer stuff kept as-is unless there's a good reason to make changes. Even some of the semi-junk I've gotten over the years I've kept as original as possible - like card sets I got through the mail that I've kept in the original packing.

But I also do some stuff with old magazines which is a closer analogy. I've bought a lot of them, most from one source. Some are in great condition, and hopefully if the kids don't want them years from now, someone else will.
But others... Some were in bad condition already, others were partly cut up by the guy I got them from as source material for his nostalgia magazine.

Do I take ads or articles out of the nice ones? No, just won't do that.
Do I take ads or articles out of the ones that are missing portions/covers/ etc already? Yes, I do. Not always something I do in a hurry, sometimes the thing I want would damage a better item if it was cut, so it's a choice.

I'd have probably kept the book together.
But it was missing the covers, and the top page was a bit rough.

If it was the only one, I'd think it would be best if it stayed together. If there are others from the same year that are nicer, or at least complete, then maybe.

I don't buy the argument that a seller is "providing people a chance to own a piece of something they couldn't afford" That's just justifying. (And my other reasons fringe on politics, so I'll avoid that. If you have to know, just email me)
I also only partly get the "it's mine to do as I wish" Yeah, it is. But it was here before you, and without being broken up would be here long after you and I are gone. The cards the Goudey co burned to heat the building were theirs to do that, but I'm sure we all wish they hadn't (except maybe anyone who owns an uncut sheet...) A lot of what we collect wasn't really intended to be kept for years, but I'm sure we're all glad it was. That we can be custodians of those things so they're there for future generations is pretty cool.

Now, there are exceptions. When the Smithsonian restored at least a couple of the cloth covered planes they partly funded the restoration by selling photos of the plane framed along with a one inch square of the original cloth covering. At the time that old cloth would have rotted away at the Garber facility that was shot on storage, or been thrown away. And having a textile mill create a short run of the exact fabric was probably really expensive. (I've seen where another museum did something similar, but had a bunch of the cloth made and offered it to owners of the same sort of plane. )

So OP, yes, yours to do as you wish, and it's been broken up now so not much point. But I'd ask you one thing.... Take some of the money and rescue some bit of the past from some sort of inevitable oblivion. There's a lot out there, I used to find it pretty often, and for very little. Like some route salesmans books and some letters and other paperwork from a 7-up bottler that was at an estate sale - on the floor behind the furnace, with other "trash" they would have thrown away the next day. Not really valuable, but interesting. I got the whole pile for I think $5.

FYI here what I have done for the Ticket hobby
https://www.psacard.com/Articles/Art...-1933-1947-era
this enabled 1000's of tickets previously worth next to nothing , to sky rocket in value , when dates and years could be accurately assigned to undated Yankees tickets ,
I also prevented a bogus Mickey Mantle ticket being sold to some unsuspecting buyer at a major auction house for $1000's
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=240361

[Leon]

Originally Posted by megalimey

FYI here what I have done for the Ticket hobby
https://www.psacard.com/Articles/Art...-1933-1947-era
this enabled 1000's of tickets previously worth next to nothing , to sky rocket in value , when dates and years could be accurately assigned to undated Yankees tickets ,
I also prevented a bogus Mickey Mantle ticket being sold to some unsuspecting buyer at a major auction house for $1000's
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=240361

Those are good deeds indeed. I wouldn't get your feathers too ruffled about all of this brouhaha concerning the ticket book. Take it in stride. I doubt anyone actually doesn't like you because of this but some might not like the cutting out of the tickets. In the big picture of this hobby (and life) this is not that big of a deal. I am not for cutting up Babe's jerseys or Ty's bats but a coverless ticket book is not in that realm, to me. But then again I am a 1 percenter many times. Everyone has a right to their opinion and I doubt one is better than another, by much.

[oldjudge]

Originally Posted by megalimey

FYI here what I have done for the Ticket hobby
https://www.psacard.com/Articles/Art...-1933-1947-era
this enabled 1000's of tickets previously worth next to nothing , to sky rocket in value , when dates and years could be accurately assigned to undated Yankees tickets ,
I also prevented a bogus Mickey Mantle ticket being sold to some unsuspecting buyer at a major auction house for $1000's
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=240361

Mother Teresa got nothing on you

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by Michael B

Several have said it was his and he could do with it what he wished. I would suspect that many people on this board do something with their collection that others would say is wrong. If you own it, it is your right to do as you see fit.

This!

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by megalimey

I guess in retrospect I should have not let anyone know my great find, or offer any for sale , hid it my vault till the day I died , so then some one else could buy it , sell it for a huge profit it ,or it get thrown away as almost happened with this Booklet.

No, but if you had posted about your great find AFTER you separated the tickets and then said "look I found 77 tickets!", then there would be nothing but love for you on this thread.

Doug "it's all in the timing" Goodman

[megalimey]

why I did what I did
when I initially shared this find with Net 54 Members , there were many responses all positive, I had many PM messages asking if I had any plans on selling the booklet. I received a few substantial offers , all of which would have given me a very lucrative return. The reason I declined them all is I really really wanted to keep several of the Games tickets from the season of 1912 Highlanders, for example
Game No. 1 (1st time Yankees ever wore pinstripes )
Game No.4 Walter Johnson Complete Game 1-0 shut out and on the same day the Titanic Sunk ,
Game No. 19 - Ty Cobb goes into stands Beats up NY Fan
GAME NO. - 46 Shoeless Joe Jackson (CLEVELAND) Career Home Run 11
Game 77 , the last time the team would be called the Highlanders
and last Game at Hill Top Park .
there were many other great games played with Hall of Famers
I then started to get numerous requests for Games played by certain teams
Boston Red Sox who won the world series that year , Cleveland Naps , Detroit Tigers, and other for teams.

Keeping the book as is stashed away in drawer or a dark vault for possibly no one else to see, may have been the choice of some , or sell it complete and take the money and run for a very nice profit.
I chose an option where I got to keep a few tickets I wanted , and sell individual tickets on the open market , and still come out ahead
some tickets can be had for a nominal sum , some may sell for more ,
Making a ton of money was not my motivation , if so I would have flipped it straight away in the beginning.
if this were a handed down family heirloom, or had the original Front and back Cover with the name of the original owner therefore really making it really complete, I would have 10000% kept as is with out a single moments hesitation !!!!! , obviously this explanation though long and maybe boring
may still not please every one , thanks for your time

[ValKehl]

David, your explanation for your decision makes complete sense to me. I believe I would have done the very same as you. Being a WaJo card collector, for sure I would have kept the Game 4 ticket!

[Bugsy]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Your argument is the same one used to cut up a Babe Ruth bat or uniform so a lot of people can have a piece. That booklet lasted over one hundred years till you decided to destroy it. Shame on you. The hobby is better without generous people like you.

Perfectly stated!

[pherbener]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Your argument is the same one used to cut up a Babe Ruth bat or uniform so a lot of people can have a piece. That booklet lasted over one hundred years till you decided to destroy it. Shame on you. The hobby is better without generous people like you.

Honestly, I think comparing cutting up a Ruth Jersey or bat to removing tickets from a book that were made to be removed is kind of ridiculous.