1968 topps checklists

[Rrrlyons]

It’s my understanding in most years but I’m mostly interested in 1968 that other than the first series checklist all others were put on the series sheet prior as a “teaser” and another in the correct series. Hence probably why in most years there is variations because something got changed or corrected.
Is it documented anywhere from looking at complete sheet which variation was the teaser and which one was in the correct series sheet?
Second series on a first series sheet and a second series sheet etc.
I think the second series marichal one has been explained because of the fine mesh, wide mesh but haven’t heard any definitive documentation on the other checklists.
Anyone have any info?
Rick

[jmoran19]

In theory yes.

I only keep photos of the front side of uncut sheets but here is the series 5 CL variations. The CL printed with series 4 cards shows Holtzman's head more to the right/top of the circle. The CL printed with series 5 cards shows the centered version (have full 132 card sheet but easier to see on this 66 card section).

John

[ALR-bishop]

Interesting question. It is true there are variations to virtually every Topps checklist in the 60s and for much of the 70s, probably for the reason you mention, their double printing. But have no idea how to identify the "teaser"

But we do have a lot of sheet experts on here who might be able to help out.

Some of the differences are very noticeably and some likely intentional, but many are just cropping difference, some very minor resulting from the DP.

The 68 situation is complicated in that the Topps 1968 Milton Bradley set also has the two Marichal varitions you mention

[Rrrlyons]

Thanks that clears up one

[Kevvyg1026]

I'm in on travel right now but I will post something more definitive when I get back next week for each of the checklists from memory the as checklist series 3 has a difference in printing on the back in terms of the wording there are also subtle differences in all the other ones

[ALR-bishop]

Topps 1968 CL differences....but did not understand that to be the Q

CL 1 # 37 copyright on back in slightly different locations
CL 2 # 87 mesh is different.....same on MBs
CL 3 -4 different ...game or no game on back and full B or cut B on front
CL4--#278 copyright on back in different locations
CL5 # 356---gap between cap and top of circle
CL 6 # 454--chain showing or not/gap chin and circle
CL 7 # 518--different # 539s

[Rrrlyons]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Topps 1968 CL differences....but did not understand that to be the Q

CL 1 # 37 copyright on back in slightly different locations
CL 2 # 87 mesh is different.....same on MBs
CL 3 -4 different ...game or no game on back and full B or cut B on front
CL4--#278 copyright on back in different locations
CL5 # 356---gap between cap and top of circle
CL 6 # 454--chain showing or not/gap chin and circle
CL 7 # 518--different # 539s

Yea, I know what the different variations are I’m more wondering if anyone knows which variation goes with each series if that can even be determined by the different sheets.

[Kevvyg1026]

Yes, when I return home, I will send more info. There are either partial sheets available or miscuts that identify which series the various checklists are from

[Rich Klein]

In these cases you need to see the back of the sheet to determine which series the checklist was in (for series 2 and up). For series 1, the difference could be which printer did the cards or if the checklist was updated for some reason. Example of that scenario would be the 1965 Topps Series #1 Checklist which IIRC (doing this from memory) has either Cannizzaro or C.Cannizzaro as card #61.

Regards
Rich

[Rrrlyons]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Yes, when I return home, I will send more info. There are either partial sheets available or miscuts that identify which series the various checklists are from

Thanks

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

In these cases you need to see the back of the sheet to determine which series the checklist was in (for series 2 and up). For series 1, the difference could be which printer did the cards or if the checklist was updated for some reason. Example of that scenario would be the 1965 Topps Series #1 Checklist which IIRC (doing this from memory) has either Cannizzaro or C.Cannizzaro as card #61.

Regards
Rich

That is odd, that checklist was printed only on the First Series slits. Was it a later printed correction or was one of the checklists printed on the sheet with the C and the other one printed without the C?

[jmoran19]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

That is odd, that checklist was printed only on the First Series slits. Was it a later printed correction or was one of the checklists printed on the sheet with the C and the other one printed without the C?

the 1st series Kaat CL was on the sheet layout twice, one is in column 1 and the other is in column 11. JOhn

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by jmoran19

the 1st series Kaat CL was on the sheet layout twice, one is in column 1 and the other is in column 11. JOhn

Ahhh, they double printed it and apparently one has the C and the other one doesn’t.

[Kevvyg1026]

The fine mesh version of checklist 2 was printed in series 2. Here is a miscut to illustrate.

1968_chk_2_below_yaz_ws.jpg

[Kevvyg1026]

Here are two miscuts of series 6 checklist. One is from series 5 printing (Hatton MC), while the other is from a series 6 printing (F Robby underneath).

1968_454_series_5.jpg

1968_454_series_6.jpg

[Kevvyg1026]

Here's front and back of check 7 from series 6 printing

1968_518_front_back_series_6.jpg

[Kevvyg1026]

Here are front/back of check 4 from a series 3 printing

1968_chk4_series_3.jpg

[Zach Wheat]

Interesting question Rick. This won't work for 1968, but in other years Topps (I am told) used an "*" to denote the card was from the sheet that was updated. Not sure when this started, but an A* meant the card was from the updated A sheet.

[Kevvyg1026]

My pix of series 1 are not sufficient to tell the difference, so I don't yet have evidence whether the left column checklist is different from the right, or whether the cannizaro correction was made on a later print run.

But my speculation is that it was a correction introduced later.

[Kevvyg1026]

from what I can tell, it looks like the checklist on the left side of the slit (col 1) has the trademark shifted to the left, while the checklist printed in C11 has the trademark shifted to the right.

1968_67_BOTTOM_1 (1).jpg