Does Anyone Know of This Card? Sociedade Industrial

[smokelessjoe]

Sorry about the poor photo quality - card is in a penny sleeve and I am using my crappy phone...

I can find info on this set but nothing on this particular card? Who are these players? When I look at the roster nothing seems to match Kissinger & Moore? I would love to here your thoughts. I think it is a great image and it looks like a Huge Medicine Ball on his head!

[clydepepper]

Not sure of the Kissinger fellow on left, but that's definitely Albert 'Pumpkin Head' Moore on the right.


Just kidding...I have no idea


Thanks...I'll be here all week.

[Brian Van Horn]

Eddie Moore is on the right. Kissinger I have never heard of, but it's intriguing.

[rhettyeakley]

They appear to be wearing 1925 Pirates jerseys. The tall player isn't immediately recognizable like Moore is, with a lanky body like that I can't imagine him being anything but a pitcher.

[pencil1974]

Basically the same series as the La Morena cards, from 1928. The checklist might be updated better than what I have here as its the same for both sets. Hope this helps some. Harder to find but they do come up once in a while, I've owned a few of the Ruths. Leon has a Ruth/Cobb if I remember correct.

[Louieman]

As a big Tabacalera La Morena fan, it's cool to see these Sociedade cards. From what I've heard and others have mentioned on this thread, it seems like the set is from El Salvador, just like the Tabacalera series. But I have heard that they could have been from Portugal. Seems like the Sociedade set was made first, and then the Tabacalera set used the same images but hand tinted them. Here's an example of a Tabacalera card I own. The really cool thing is how unique these two sets are (Sociedade seems rarer), and the fact that the images used in both sets are exclusive to those sets. And that's the first I've ever seen of the card you're sharing. (And it makes me think there should be a hand tinted Tabacalera version around somewhere ) Very cool!

[packs]

Could it be George Kissinger? He was a minor league player who played for Waynesboro in 1925. Not sure of their affiliation, but Adam Comorosky also played for Waynesboro in 1925 and appeared with the Pirates the following season.

[smokelessjoe]

I found this article from the Sept. 4 1925 Reading Eagle. One thing I have noticed about these cards is that they do sometime get the identification of the players wrong. So far this is the closest thing we have. Thank you Packs.

[mybuddyinc]

George Kissinger:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...d=kissin001geo

1924 -- Waynesboro BLRI D 5 10 .333

[Exhibitman]

The La Morena cards have been known longer and in my experience are somewhat easier to find than the Sociedade cards. The checklists are the same as far as I can tell. Other than the shared checklist there is no indication I am aware of that the manufacturers were the same or which came first. Many of the Sociedade cards in collections today originated with Portuguese sellers, which makes sense since one of Portugal's colonies was Angola and the language on the cards is Portuguese. I have never seen one offered by a seller in Angola; for that matter I've never seen a La Morena offered by a seller from El Salvador, either.

[vintagehofrookies]

this is my only Sociedade Industrial example that I bought off ebay late last year:

[glenv]

Here's a few:

angola_ft1.jpg angola_ft2.jpg

angola_ft4.jpg angola_ft5.jpg tabacos_angola_matty_bk.jpg

Ruth/Gehrig:

angola_ft3.jpg

[Leon]

They have some great and unique scenes and poses...

[Exhibitman]

That's true, Leon. And I like their use of action shots, which is pretty unusual prewar:

[kawligas]

Originally Posted by pencil1974

Basically the same series as the La Morena cards, from 1928. The checklist might be updated better than what I have here as its the same for both sets. Hope this helps some. Harder to find but they do come up once in a while, I've owned a few of the Ruths. Leon has a Ruth/Cobb if I remember correct.

Check-list

96 St. Louis Cardinals team

97 Scott – Chicago – a kind of baseball player, the big assistant of his team

98 Babe Ruth - the king of baseball of America, maybe the best paid citizen of the U. S. A.

99 Washington Senators Team

100 Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth

101 George Kelly of the New Yorker Giants, a second Babe Ruth

103 Earl Webb

104 Pennock and Meadows have the recognition of the public everywhere because of the surprising art of their baseball playing

105 Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth

106 Jim Bottomley

107 John J. Mc. Graw and Christov Mathewson two baseball players that always thrill the American people

108 Levy, Hogan and Cohen three great baseball players of the popular baseball team New Yorker Giants

109 John J. Mc. Graw a big artist of baseball

110 Baseball player Ullmann (New York) – a first order baseball player loved by his teammates

111 The brothers P. and Lee Todd – appreciated baseball players in the United States of North America

112 A huge crowd attending a baseballgame in New York – the true American national sport

113 Giants – White Sox

114 An interesting fight scene that always thrill the Americans between St. Louis Cardinals and Brooklyn Robins

115 A huge crowd in the baseball – the national sport of the Americans, in the Pittsbrugh ballpark in a championship between New Yorker Yankees and Pirates Pittsburgh

116 Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth in a baseball ballpark. In the United States of North America the true American would do anything for attending a baseball game

117 Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig

118 Rabbit Maranville

119 George Harper the bright baseball player, playing for the St. Louis Cardinals against the famous New Yorker Giants

120 A baseball scene in a game between two of the best and most known teams St. Louis Cardinals vs. Brooklyn Robins

[Jlighter]

Real cool cards.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by kawligas

Check-list

96 St. Louis Cardinals team

97 Scott – Chicago – a kind of baseball player, the big assistant of his team

98 Babe Ruth - the king of baseball of America, maybe the best paid citizen of the U. S. A.

99 Washington Senators Team

100 Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth

101 George Kelly of the New Yorker Giants, a second Babe Ruth

103 Earl Webb

104 Pennock and Meadows have the recognition of the public everywhere because of the surprising art of their baseball playing

105 Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth

106 Jim Bottomley

107 John J. Mc. Graw and Christov Mathewson two baseball players that always thrill the American people

108 Levy, Hogan and Cohen three great baseball players of the popular baseball team New Yorker Giants

109 John J. Mc. Graw a big artist of baseball

110 Baseball player Ullmann (New York) – a first order baseball player loved by his teammates

111 The brothers P. and Lee Todd – appreciated baseball players in the United States of North America

112 A huge crowd attending a baseballgame in New York – the true American national sport

113 Giants – White Sox

114 An interesting fight scene that always thrill the Americans between St. Louis Cardinals and Brooklyn Robins

115 A huge crowd in the baseball – the national sport of the Americans, in the Pittsbrugh ballpark in a championship between New Yorker Yankees and Pirates Pittsburgh

116 Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth in a baseball ballpark. In the United States of North America the true American would do anything for attending a baseball game

117 Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig

118 Rabbit Maranville

119 George Harper the bright baseball player, playing for the St. Louis Cardinals against the famous New Yorker Giants

120 A baseball scene in a game between two of the best and most known teams St. Louis Cardinals vs. Brooklyn Robins

Thanks for this checklist. I wanted to put a checklist together when a find of these appeared on ebay a couple of years ago, but never got it done before the listings disappeared.

For card #117, I think it's very debateable whether that is Gehrig on the card. You only see the player's back, so it could be anyone.

[nolemmings]

"For card #117, I think it's very debateable whether that is Gehrig on the card. You only see the player's back, so it could be anyone"

We had a discussion of this card awhile ago:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...hlight=lazzeri

Almost certainly not Gehrig, IMO, if for no other reason that Gehrig followed Ruth in the batting order, and everyone in this picture is looking at further action in the field or on the bases, meaning after Ruth scores, either Gehrig is behind him on the bases or he already made an out--he would not be in the on-deck circle with some other runner on the bases, nor would he have scored ahead of Ruth. Other indicators make me believe it is not Gehrig as well, probably Lazzeri or Meusel.

Originally Posted by glchen

Thanks for this checklist. I wanted to put a checklist together when a find of these appeared on ebay a couple of years ago, but never got it done before the listings disappeared.

For card #117, I think it's very debateable whether that is Gehrig on the card. You only see the player's back, so it could be anyone.

That Ruth #98 is one of the coolest Ruth cards I've ever seen. Beautiful!

[JustinD]

Looks like Shawn's 102 card just expanded the known checklist...pretty cool.

[Leon]

I think it's fascinating we are still expanding checklists of 75-125 yrs old cards.

Originally Posted by JustinD

Looks like Shawn's 102 card just expanded the known checklist...pretty cool.

[HasselhoffsCheeseburger]

The same company produced another multi-sport set around the same time but I've never seen a baseball subject. Of course, I've only seen the cards come up once and it was just a handful so we're left to speculate. The other set has a white border around all of the cards as shown below. The seller stated that the set consisted of a few hundred cards.