help with e120-122

[milkit1]

was wondering if I could get some help on this one as this seems to be a very confusing couple of sets. I am thinking of doing a Cubs set of one of every player from those three sets. Does anyone have a proper checklist for the e121 and e122 cubs? Are there any that are particularly pricey or rare?
Thanks for your help

[Luke]

I don't know too much about the Cubs fron e121 and e122, but the e120 Cubs should all be pretty easy. Hartnett's e120 is a "rookie card" so you'll be paying a premium for that one.

[FrankWakefield]

My grandfather had a zillion sayings, most of which I didn't understand when I heard them as a kid. I recalled the words and thought I understood them...

One comes to mind, "Half of doing any job is having the right tools."



Milkit, you need a copy of The Sports Collectors Bible. Old little books by Bert Sugar. I suggest a 3rd or 4th edition. Look on eBay or ABE Books. These books are from the late 70s.

He lists cards the old, original way, by teams, alphabetically. It makes so much more sense than what Beckett saddled us with.

E120
Aldridge, Alexander, Barber, Callaghan, Cheeeves, Flack, Grimes, Hartnett, Hollocher, P. Jones, Kellsher, Krug, H. Miller, O'Farrell, Statz

E121 80 series
Alexander (2), Deal (2), Evers (2), Hollacher, Killefer (2), Terry, Tyler, Vaughn (2)

E121 120 series
Alexander, Barber, Flack, Hollocher, Killefer (2), Martin, Terry

E122
Alexander, Deal, Evers, Hollacher, Killefer, Tyler, Vaughn


Bert's books have occasional errors and omissions. And the latter editions have fewer of these while covering more material. They are quite affordable, and informative. One of Bert's old books would be a valuable tool for a vintage card collector.

[milkit1]

Thanks for the assistance. I agree and will def. Buy that book, thanks for the tip
Yeah Hartnett seems hard to get besides being expensive. Are the e122s expensive?

[FrankWakefield]

Sean, you are welcome. Help is what this board should be about.

There's a Killefer on eBay at the moment, $200 or best offer. That seems high to me, but I live in the past when it comes to prices. If it were a regular auction I'd think it would go for much less.

Post a few of those Cubs as you gather them, please!

Get one of Mr. Sugar's books. Get copies of Mr. Lipset's 3 books. A Standard catalog or Vintage catalog would be good. After that, maybe an American Card Catalog (which you'd seldom use, but occasionally find great).

[Luke]

If you have any questions about e120 pricing, I can probably help. I'm about 60% of the way done with my set. Now is a good time to buy imo as prices have been soft.

[old-baseball]

All of the E121-80's should be available except Alexander (Hands Above Head) and Killefer (Spelled Killifer). I think we decided awhile back that they may not exist. I've never seen "Killifer" and and can't recall the second Alexander pose.

[FrankWakefield]

I think Kevin is correct, and this is an example of the occasional error in Mr. Sugar's work. Still, it is a great resource... it had the team listings.

The 4th edition of the Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball cards lists a Grover Alexander card, and expresses doubt about the existence of a G. C. Alexander card. It lists a Killifer card and a Killefer card. And I don't know about the existence. Maybe search for an E121 thread here.

As for collecting these rascals, put together a few eBay searches, using the E numbers, "American Caramel", the player names, Cubs... Maybe look at some dealer sites.

[K-Nole]

Luke, I have been soft on buying this set, as Ack has most of our time on the 1970 topps baseball set.
But I do miss it!!! Hope we get done with it soon so i can go back to the E120's.

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

If you have any questions about e120 pricing, I can probably help. I'm about 60% of the way done with my set. Now is a good time to buy imo as prices have been soft.

[edhans]

The E122s are quite difficult in comparison to the other two. They're more comaprable in scarcity to the E123 Curtis Irelands. If that Killefer Frank alludes to is nice, $200 is not an outrageous price. The thing is, if you pass on it, you may not see another one for a good while. I may have one or two of the Cubs. My site is currently down, but I can send you some scans if you'd like.

[FrankWakefield]

A couple of Cubs like you're talking about?

[ullmandds]

by god Frank...is that e122 a hand cut scrap?

[brianp-beme]

Actually the Hendrix is a E220 National Caramel card. In my opinion E220 cards are nicer looking than the E122s, which have coarse, grainy images, but the trade off is E220 cards are quite often found with horribly misshapen borders.

Brian

[milkit1]

awesome stuff guys, thanks for the headsup on these. Nice cards Frank

[ullmandds]

Thanks for the correction Brian.

[FrankWakefield]

Sure enough, "National" is on the back of that card. It was among the other caramel cards in those binder pages... I only saw one other Cubs card on those pages, Vic Saier, but it's a Boston Stores card, so I didn't pull it out.