OT: AROD gets 162 game ban

[EvilKing00]

Any one have comments?

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Any one have comments?

No, but I'm sure his attorney will.

[rdwyer]

Well deserved.

[RTK]

Good, and there goes his legacy.

[Rich Klein]

Should have been a lifetime ban

[EvilKing00]

Im not a yankee fan, matter of fact im a big met fan and cant stand the Yankees.

BUT - To me it makes no sense, everyone gets 50 games, IF they fail 1 test, that's the rule. And arod gets 162? Where is the rule saying that, "x offence" gets 162 games? I don't think you can just wing it when it comes to such large suspensions.

I can see this turning into a movie 10 years from now.

[HRBAKER]

I think he got the lion's share of this for his interference in the MLB investigation, i.e., trying to cover his tracks at BioGenesis.

Just go away now please.

[ruth-gehrig]

I don't feel sorry for him!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Should have been a lifetime ban

I don't think we'll see him again.

[sycks22]

Yanks fans everywhere are celebrating, especially the Steinbrenners

[steve B]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

I think he got the lion's share of this for his interference in the MLB investigation, i.e., trying to cover his tracks at BioGenesis.

Just go away now please.

That's exactly it.

Just like how cycling gave Lance a lifetime ban from competing in any form of cycling at any level and stripped his titles even after semi-retirement and beyond the years typically allowed as a sort of statutory limit.
They decided that his level of obstruction and interference both behind the scenes and in court was bad enough to allow all his past cheating to count.

For Arod then, it wasn't just a supposed first fail, it was also the admission of using for a few years before it was specifically against the rules. And his assumed continuation of that use after the rule change.

He got off very lightly in my opinion.

A strong commissioner would have made it a lifetime ban, but also would have put in a stronger program earlier maybe preventing the rampant abuses of the era. Or at least limiting the abusers - most Olympic/international sports have just as much of not more PED use, despite bans typically beginning at 2 years for a first failed test and lifetime bans for continual failed tests.

A strong commissioner would have also had the guts to announce the suspensions before the all star game.
It's just become so hard to take Selig seriously about anything.



Steve B

[dealme]

I'm certainly not disappointed to see him go. I've always found his antics to be very bushleague...the slap play on the grounder back to Arroyo in the '04 LCS as well as the incident where he yelled "Ha" (or "mine" depending on who asks) against the Jays leading to the infielder dropping the ball both come to mind.

Part of me wonders if the Yankee front office isn't somewhat happy to see this happen. I'm sure they'll miss his bat to an extent, but it certainly frees up some additional dollars. Although I may be speaking too soon as I don't know if he'll be able to play pending litigation. I guess we'll see what the team is thinking if they tell him not to attend spring training.

[oldjudge]

Could have been 162 years for all I care. What a jerk!

[Brian Van Horn]

I think Robin Williams put in best in "Good Morning Vietnam" when he said,

"This will not look good on the resume!"

[calvindog]

Every step of the way, ARod and his band of idiots blew it. As an attorney it was painful to watch the heavy-handed missteps.

[Fred]

He should have taken a lesson from Jeter on how to be a class act. I suppose there's not much chance he could have changed because it's just in his nature to be such a putz.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Every step of the way, ARod and his band of idiots blew it. As an attorney it was painful to watch the heavy-handed missteps.

+1, big, big time....

[t206blogcom]

It's bad for baseball to not ban him for life. How many chances does he expect to get?

Pete Rose bet on a few games and gets a lifetime ban. A Rod gets caught multiple times only to receive a few slaps on the wrist.

I'll never understand the decisions MLB makes. Simply baffling.

[RTK]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

It's bad for baseball to not ban him for life. How many chances does he expect to get?

Pete Rose bet on a few games and gets a lifetime ban. A Rod gets caught multiple times only to receive a few slaps on the wrist.

I'll never understand the decisions MLB makes. Simply baffling.

One or a thousand...can't do that.

[HRBAKER]

I don't find Pete Rose's lifetime ban puzzling at all.
Evidently he didn't either. Didn't he sign the agreement?

[calvindog]

I've never really understood the purpose of Rose's lifetime ban. Obviously he shouldn't be permitted access to any situation in which he could receive inside info on players' health, etc. for fear he might use it for gambling purposes. But it's not like he's playing anymore. Why not prevent him from MLB employment but allow him into the HOF? Why do his records count otherwise? And if a guy can get caught with a corked bat why is he permitted back?

As for ARod, his biggest problem is his difficulty with reality. All I heard during the hearing from him and his lawyers was how great they were doing. Of course, that immediately indicated that they were getting slaughtered. When he ran out of the hearing because Selig wasn't required to testify, didn't that make clear ARod thought he was losing? If he was "crushing" them as he said, why would he care about Selig's testimony?

Oftentimes lawyers get clients who are delusional. It's the lawyer's job to provide reality checks for the client and to honestly understand how the trial is going so that the appropriate strategy can be employed at the right time. When the lawyers are equally as delusional as the client, usually a huge loss follows.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

During the NE/Indy halftime show, CBS showed an excerpt of tomorrow's 60 Minutes episode where some guy admits he himself injected A-Rod with PEDs. What a disgrace.

[Section115]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

During the NE/Indy halftime show, CBS showed an excerpt of tomorrow's 60 Minutes episode where some guy admits he himself injected A-Rod with PEDs. What a disgrace.

That guy is Anthony Bosch. The man behind the curtain.


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[HRBAKER]

I have a feeling with Rose that any consideration that MLB may have given him re moderating their stance over time was mitigated by his assinine behavior and years and years of lying.

[EvilKing00]

Some got caught, some admitted to it, some are accused and many we will never know that did it.

[horzverti]

Never heard of him.

[DixieBaseball]

A-Roid is a cheat and bottom line he is getting what he deserves. So glad MLB is cleaning up the game. Took too long, but it is getting more pure and back to more respectable numbers (with history) on the power side and great pitchers are starting to come back in play on several teams. No more 60-70 bomb baloney and now when a guy hits 50 like Big Chris Davis, it feels real. It feels like George Foster in late 70's with his 52 dongs out of no where. Sorry for the rant, but it just feels good to see real baseball players coming back into the game and the game getting cleaned up.

Good Riddance to A-Roid! Hope his wait for the Hall is when he is very old and gray.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by t206blogcom

A Rod gets caught multiple times only to receive a few slaps on the wrist.

When has ARod been caught "multiple times"? At worst, this was his first official offense - the admission on TV doesn't count - and it apparently didn't involve a failed test.

So what were the multiple times?

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by Tabe

When has ARod been caught "multiple times"? At worst, this was his first official offense - the admission on TV doesn't count - and it apparently didn't involve a failed test.

So what were the multiple times?

Hmmm. Good point. Kinda.

He admits using, but nobody "caught" him. He and all others hide behind the
Players Union. Drug tests "fail" to catch him, and many others. And now a person claims to have injected A-Fraud. A-fraud is also alleged to be purchasing documents, from this same guy(or company, can't seem to keep all this straight). The commish says A-Fraud is interfering... He gets 162 games.

I am sure a much better informed individual could string this together better than I am doing.

If he were to say he did not have sex with that woman, I would know he screwed her every which way from Sunday.

This guy, to me, messed with the game more than Pete Rose ever did. No comparison.

But what do I know, other than A-Fraud is a liar.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by Tabe

When has ARod been caught "multiple times"? At worst, this was his first official offense - the admission on TV doesn't count - and it apparently didn't involve a failed test.

So what were the multiple times?

your right he was only "caught this 1 time" and there have been many others who were caught more and received less and many more than that who were never caught.

[calvindog]

No one knows the evidence from the arbitration; however, ARod didn't release the written decision for a reason--because it buries him. Major obstruction of the MLB probe and great efforts to circumvent the drug testing policy. And the evidence was irrefutable that he used PEDs.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by calvindog

No one knows the evidence from the arbitration; however, ARod didn't release the written decision for a reason--because it buries him. Major obstruction of the MLB probe and great efforts to circumvent the drug testing policy. And the evidence was irrefutable that he used PEDs.

Absolutely!

Poor A Rod, he's getting such a raw deal.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by calvindog

No one knows the evidence from the arbitration; however, ARod didn't release the written decision for a reason--because it buries him. Major obstruction of the MLB probe and great efforts to circumvent the drug testing policy. And the evidence was irrefutable that he used PEDs.

Keep in mind when trashing ARod for obstruction that MLB did the exact same thing - only they obstructed a federal criminal investigation and not just an investigation of an employee.

[Section115]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Keep in mind when trashing ARod for obstruction that MLB did the exact same thing - only they obstructed a federal criminal investigation and not just an investigation of an employee.

Which federal criminal investigation was that? I must have missed that.


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[Brian Van Horn]

I was just watching the 60 Minutes segment on this matter. All I can say is there are unsavory characters on each side of this matter.

[ullmandds]

I totally agree! I hope he never dons a yankee uniform again!

Originally Posted by dealme

I'm certainly not disappointed to see him go. I've always found his antics to be very bushleague...the slap play on the grounder back to Arroyo in the '04 LCS as well as the incident where he yelled "Ha" (or "mine" depending on who asks) against the Jays leading to the infielder dropping the ball both come to mind.

Part of me wonders if the Yankee front office isn't somewhat happy to see this happen. I'm sure they'll miss his bat to an extent, but it certainly frees up some additional dollars. Although I may be speaking too soon as I don't know if he'll be able to play pending litigation. I guess we'll see what the team is thinking if they tell him not to attend spring training.

[ElCabron]

I just want to go on record saying that I've hated ARod long before steroids were in the discussion. He is the sole reason for my divorce from the Yankees after 25+ years of loyal support.

-Ryan

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

I was just watching the 60 Minutes segment on this matter. All I can say is there are unsavory characters on each side of this matter.

I watched it too. All I can say is WOW!!! Death threats? Justifying giving A-Fraud PEDS as doing nothing wrong under the belief that other players are juicying and if you're going to juice, you need to do it right? Both surround themselves with convicted criminals? Offering to pay and hide Bosch in Colombia to obstruct justice? The volumes of text messages is very damaging and indefensible. What a pair of sociopaths. They deserved each other and both should be in jail.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by NoizeBringer

I just want to go on record saying that I've hated ARod long before steroids were in the discussion. He is the sole reason for my divorce from the Yankees after 25+ years of loyal support.

-Ryan

Agreed. His grace, class and modesty were inversely proportional to his talents.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

I watched it too. All I can say is WOW!!! Death threats? Justifying giving A-Fraud PEDS as doing nothing wrong under the belief that other players are juicying and if you're going to juice, you need to do it right? Both surround themselves with convicted criminals? Offering to pay and hide Bosch in Colombia to obstruct justice? The volumes of text messages is very damaging and indefensible. What a pair of sociopaths. They deserved each other and both should be in jail.

Was also kind of difficult listening to his lawyer claim that MLB gave Bosch immunity in a federal criminal investigation. I wasn't aware that MLB is also the Department of Justice.

[drmondobueno]

Man. A-Fraud's attorney is one scary looking guy. Sounds pretty good at misdirection.

[GoldenAge50s]

After reading your posts am I correct in assuming you don't think too highly of Joe Tacopina?

Have you ever opposed him in court?

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Section115

Which federal criminal investigation was that? I must have missed that.


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Sorry, state investigation not federal:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-...nto-biogenesis

[Ladder7]

"Hey, where'd my Pedro go?"

[ctownboy]

I always find it funny when A Fraud, his attorneys and supporters say you can't trust a guy like Bosch because he is a known liar.

Well, Mr. Rodriguez, what about all of the times you were asked if you had EVER used PED's and you always said no? Didn't you do an interview on 60 Minutes and when asked, you looked straight into the camera and said you never did PED's?

Of course, when your big dollar, long term contract's out clause came up, you opted out and then got a bigger dollar, longer term contract. What happened then? You admitted you had, in fact, used PED's but it was only after receiving your first contract and before PED use was banned in MLB.

How convenient.

Why doesn't a reporter ask A Fruad, his attorney's and his supporters about that and ask why people should trust A Fraud?

Why don't reporters ask if there is no evidnece to connect A Fraud to Bio Genesis and PED's and that he is/was clean and Bosch is a liar then why OTHER MLB players connected to Bio Genesis accepted their suspensions? Why did they do this? Are they in on the conspiracy to bring A Fraud down also?

David

[midwaylandscaping]

If possible, Tacopina's one step below an ambulance chaser. The lowest of the low scum when it comes to attorneys

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by ctownboy

Why don't reporters ask if there is no evidnece to connect A Fraud to Bio Genesis and PED's and that he is/was clean and Bosch is a liar then why OTHER MLB players connected to Bio Genesis accepted their suspensions? Why did they do this? Are they in on the conspiracy to bring A Fraud down also?

David

This is the best point. God forbid ARod gets what he asks for and has to try these issues before a jury. MLB will simply subpoena and trot out numerous players who received PEDs from Bosch, with the same text messaging, protocols, etc. as Bosch received from ARod. What will the defense be then? That it's a racial thing?

This case should have been settled for 100 games or less when ARod had the chance. Would have saved him over $10 million and a lot of embarrassment. Whoever convinced him that he has a chance in federal or state court in NY should have his head examined.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

After reading your posts am I correct in assuming you don't think too highly of Joe Tacopina?

Have you ever opposed him in court?

Uh, aren't these rave reviews from the same sources as Jeff has on his own website?

"One of New York's fiercest defenders" —NY Daily News

"Top-shelf, high powered litigator" —New York Post

[Peter_Spaeth]

Separated at birth?

[ullmandds]

Joe looks like Jeff on steroids!!!