Latest Hauls of Shame Post

[Rich Klein]

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=22852#more-22852

A couple things; Peter makes mention of Leon's past. Unlike Mr. Nash, Leon freely admits to his mistakes as a younger man and I don't think anyone on this board thinks any less of him. Three words very appropriate for Mr. Nash: POT, KETTLE, BLACK

Rich

[Leon]

It's been mentioned many times. I have a drug conviction from the mid 1980s. I am not proud of it. I learned and it never happened again. In life you live and learn...but some like Nash, never learn.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Nobody's perfect, we all made mistakes, I would probably "take the cake" around here, just never got caught. Dave.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Leon

It's been mentioned many times. I have a drug conviction from the mid 1980s. I am not proud of it. I learned and it never happened again. In life you live and learn...but some like Nash, never learn.

At least he refers to you as an EX-felon.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Nobody's perfect, we all made mistakes, I would probably "take the cake" around here, just never got caught. Dave.

[HRBAKER]

Some folks own their mistakes, others well.................
FWIW I thought he chose a good picture of you!

Cheap shot and in character.

[Section103]

Im sure Leon hasn't been waiting his whole life on my validation, but I couldn't really care less about something like this. There are people doing truly bad things in this world; hurting other people. Ultimately, drugs are a personal issue that we like to get into other people's business about because it's a sick sort of fun for some.

[Kawika]

Wasn't like Leon ran a supertanker full of cocaine from South America into Corpus Christi. Busted for flirting with Maryjane. There but for the grace of God go I and half the population of the United States. Extremely gratuitous cheapshot by Nash.

[sago]

The Coaches Corner of blogs. Looking for a guest blog post by Scott Elkins soon.

[Al C.risafulli]

The article makes reference to REA as being Net54's biggest advertiser.

If I'm not mistaken, is REA not an advertiser here at all?

Flubs like that would make me question the veracity of everything on that site, if I wasn't doing that already. That seems like a pretty easy fact to check. If that one isn't being checked, how many others aren't?

-Al

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Al C.risafulli

The article makes reference to REA as being Net54's biggest advertiser.

If I'm not mistaken, is REA not an advertiser here at all?

Flubs like that would make me question the veracity of everything on that site, if I wasn't doing that already. That seems like a pretty easy fact to check. If that one isn't being checked, how many others aren't?

-Al

Rob Lifson does have banner ads on this site and is certainly an advertiser. His ads are usually quite prevalent. I appreciate his patronage as I do all of the advertisers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

REA has a banner ad even as we speak.

[sports-rings]

I'm really sorry to hear Nash is now trashing Leon too.

I had asked Peter to come on and reply when Leon wrote the post about Nash recently. Although Nash feels it's ok to twist things and call out others, Nash won't ever address his many many shady dealings.

Peter, am I next? I did cheat, in grade school, so you can refer to me as a cheater. But unlike you, I do pay my taxes, and have never stolen anything.

[wonkaticket]

Leon look on the bright side at least you can step foot in all states without being arrested for outstanding warrants can Pete do the same?

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Wasn't like Leon ran a supertanker full of cocaine from South America into Corpus Christi.

You don't know Leon very well. The list goes like this...Escobar, Luckey ,Noriega and so on.

[tschock]

The most shocking Leon related revelation in this piece is that Leon's middle name is Rantz.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tschock

The most shocking Leon related revelation in this piece is that Leon's middle name is Rantz.

It's my maternal grandparents (RIP) last name and there are no more of them to carry the name on. I think that's why my parents did it but I kind of like it.

[mybuddyinc]

"I don’t care what you say about me, just spell my name right” — P.T. Barnum

[the 'stache]

If ever the idiom "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" were apropos, it certainly applies to the sanctimonious Mr. Nash.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

If ever the idiom "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" were apropos, it certainly applies to the sanctimonious Mr. Nash.

However, in fairness to him I did start a thread on the autograph side concerning him which wasn't very flattering. That being said he really should get his house in order before he tries to clean other houses. That's just my opinion .....and yes, of course, some of what he says is true, no doubt.

[jdeptula]

I've been hanging around BST for a while and I hardly post here but this one seems odd. So Nash is trashing Leon for owning an Internet forum where someone else posted a question about something that might have been stolen??? Is that his argument??? Really??? Seems like a bit of a reach. That's like blaming Steve jobs for what I'm typing now because I'm using an iPhone.

Sounds like it was a slow news day over at hauls of shame.

Joe

[Matthew H]

...our hobbies very own "National Inquirer" tabloid.

Wow Leon, a felony for weed?! I'd rather not live in a state where that's possible.

[CW]

Wow, what a sad and desperate attempt by Nash to somewho get back at Leon. How pathetic.

At least Leon isn't hypocritical enough to start up a website called "Hauls of Ganja".



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[Exhibitman]

What a tool. Nash, not Leon, of course.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

...our hobbies very own "National Inquirer" tabloid.

Wow Leon, a felony for weed?! I'd rather not live in a state where that's possible.

To be clear it wasn't weed. It was pills. I was selling them and I was completely in the wrong and got what I deserved for doing it. Personally I don't even like pills. It was to make money. I am so glad I got caught and got out of it.

[Buythatcard]

Hey Leon,

It was in the past. You paid your dues.

As far as I am concerned, it makes no difference to me. We are here to talk about baseball cards.

We got your back here at the Forum.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

Hey Leon,

It was in the past. You paid your dues.

As far as I am concerned, it makes no difference to me. We are here to talk about baseball cards.

We got your back here at the Forum.

Thanks Howie. I prefer to focus on good things and not be defined by bad ones, as Peter Nash is. I agree, we are here to talk cards!!

[Kawika]

Originally Posted by Leon

To be clear it wasn't weed. It was pills.

Sorry, Leon. Thought it was pakalolo. Either way, Nash's reference to your past is totally irrelevant to whatever point he was trying to make and only lessens his credibiity.

[David R]

Originally Posted by Al C.risafulli

The article makes reference to REA as being Net54's biggest advertiser.

If I'm not mistaken, is REA not an advertiser here at all?

Flubs like that would make me question the veracity of everything on that site, if I wasn't doing that already. That seems like a pretty easy fact to check. If that one isn't being checked, how many others aren't?

-Al

The other allegations made about REA with respect to the Spalding collection are more troubling. Are those true?

[earlywynnfan]

I have to wonder: where will Travis post first: here or on HOS?

[wonkaticket]

I’m just amazed folks still listen to this guy as much public record stuff is out there on him, and as many unsavory acts that he has been tied too. The fact that folks tune in to hear about fraud from a fraudster is mind boggling. I must be in the minority on this but it’s mind boggling.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

I’m just amazed folks still listen to this guy as much public record stuff is out there on him, and as many unsavory acts that he has been tied too. The fact that folks tune in to hear about fraud from a fraudster is mind boggling. I must be in the minority on this but it’s mind boggling.

Just because he has a website doesn't mean people listen to him. I would be interested to see how much traffic hits the website that thinks negatively of him because he does nothing but shit talk.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

I’m just amazed folks still listen to this guy as much public record stuff is out there on him, and as many unsavory acts that he has been tied too. The fact that folks tune in to hear about fraud from a fraudster is mind boggling. I must be in the minority on this but it’s mind boggling.

I agree with you John. But I must admit, as a relative neophyte when it comes to vintage and pre-war baseball cards, I wouldn't have known anything about the guy if I hadn't read it here. Oh, I'm sure after reading some of his articles, I'd have delved into his background (I, too, look to ascertain the veracity of information I see, and the character of the person saying it). That's just how I've been programmed to think (question everything, the mantra of a broker in the post 9/11 world). And referencing what was said here earlier, there could be a lot of people heavily involved in our niche of the hobby that do not read a forum like Net 54 or CU. Those people might just accept what he writes at face value. It is an unfortunate reality in America today. Too many look at words on the internet, and accept them as the Bible.

I wish more people would openly question what they read. The impartiality we could count on back in the days of Walter Cronkite is gone forever. Now, far too often, when something is written, it's done with an agenda.

[HRBAKER]

I think the deserved notion that the hobby is rife with misdeeds makes people curious regardless of the source.

[ThoseBackPages]

This thread has raised my respect level for Leon.

More power to you Sir for turning it around

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=22852#more-22852

A couple things; Peter makes mention of Leon's past. Unlike Mr. Nash, Leon freely admits to his mistakes as a younger man and I don't think anyone on this board thinks any less of him. Three words very appropriate for Mr. Nash: POT, KETTLE, BLACK

Rich

When will Vanilla Ice wannabe Peter Nash write about the Cooperstown forger, the fake trophy balls, and the items loaned to him that ended up in an auction?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

When will Vanilla Ice wannabe Peter Nash write about the Cooperstown forger, the fake trophy balls, and the items loaned to him that ended up in an auction?

When pigs fly, we're waiting.

[earlywynnfan]

I posted that exact question at 8:45 tonight. Didn't take long for it to disappear!

Ken

[Fred]

omg - Leon had troubles in his past about 25 years ago? Who'd have thought that?

Seriously, I'm going to guess Leon was a young man around that time and I'm going to guess that he's learned from his past because he's been nothing short of a stand up person for the time I've been involved with these vintage boards.

Leon, really sorry to see that garbage. You just keep on being LL because this vintage BB card world is much better with you in it. Thanks for all you've done.

If Nash didn't have a credibility issue before, he sure has one now. Oh yeah, one more thing "phuc Nash..."

[ZenPop]

I'm a complete neophyte for these kinds of "inside baseball" (so to speak) topics... but just having seen the way Leon handles himself in every thread I've seen him comment on, he's been outstanding.

This thread just confirms it for me... dealing with everything in a straight up way... good on you, Leon. My respect level has even gone higher.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

I’m just amazed folks still listen to this guy as much public record stuff is out there on him, and as many unsavory acts that he has been tied too. The fact that folks tune in to hear about fraud from a fraudster is mind boggling. I must be in the minority on this but it’s mind boggling.

I agree Wonka but I don't think you are in the minority.

Z Wheat

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Fred

Leon, really sorry to see that garbage. You just keep on being LL because this vintage BB card world is much better with you in it. Thanks for all you've done.

/ bangs on table in agreement.

[Rickyy]

Why don't he post about himself in the haul of shame? Then I'd have more respect for him and his articles.

Ricky Y

[sports-rings]

//http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/strikeo_at_old_haul_game_jqneJoyFGd470FMBqrZnEO

NY Post has a story this morning about the NY Public Library fighting to retrieve their missing items.

The article was written by KATE BRIQUELET and quotes "memorabilia blogger Peter Nash".

She too uses phrases such as "Sources familiar with the probe" without naming any names. I get the feeling she did minimal if any research, and just took much of the information from Peter Nash's blog.

I wonder if she knows or cares about Peter Nash's past?

[kcohen]

I would have been proud to be a member of the Rantz Luckey Gang.

Leon,

Sorry I won't be seeing you and Scott at the National this year. Hopefully next. Though I won't be able to partake this year, your efforts in organizing and hosting the Net54 dinner are much appreciated. Regards,

Ken

[Mark]

Leon, with all the money changing hands and all the shady things that have happened in the card/memorabilia business, there are sure to be accusations, smears, and insults thrown at prominent people. If this is all that he has on you, or on Rob Lifson, then, in my opinion, you are doing pretty damn well.

[wonkaticket]

Here’s the other thing about Nash that just amazes me. He’s so freaking transparent how do people not see this? He tries so hard to come off as sophisticated, intelligent and caring in regards to the hobby.

However anyone who knows anything about Peter Nash or takes the time to read what is public information can see he is nothing more than a man with a list of legal problems, tax problems and outstanding arrest warrants.

It’s so painfully clear what Nash’s motives are. The whole site is nothing more than a smoke screen to make himself feel better and to draw attention away from his very public issues. He attempts to do this by writing these long drawn out articles in which he drops every name under the sun from Obama, Selig, Lifson, Halper to now other forum owners woven into these Oliver Stone type plots of corruption and espionage.

When he attacks say Barry Halper which he waited until the man was dead to by the way. I can’t help but laugh as he points out “everything seems to lead back to Halper” no kidding the man amassed one of if not the biggest baseball memorabilia collections ever. He was a high profile very public wealthy collector with an appetite for the stuff…hell Pete would have been selling him stuff along with perhaps a few “special” Pete Nash items if he had the chance. Who knows may be he did?

If anything I see Peter Nash wanting to be a Halper, wanting to hang with Halper, drop Halper’s name around town etc. now years later Halper is just another victim in the smear campaign of a man with an agenda hiding from his woes in cyberspace.

Did Halper have stuff that was questionable sadly no doubt. I also think many of us would have had bad items had we built and acquired a collection of that size. In fact Halper would have been and was a big target for the unsavory of the world to work their trade.

The one thing Mr. Nash has in common with Halper is many items seem to come back to Halper…well just as many seem to come back to Nash. Yet strangely that Hauls of Shame article is not posted. Why because in the end the man who’s ridding into town on his white stead to save the hobby is nothing more than a two bit huckster himself. Sort of funny that “Prime Minister Pete Nice” who adopted years of a tough guy persona in a rap band turns out to be an internet dingus. Seems Pete isn’t kicking anyone in the “grill” these days he’s hiding like a little girl spreading rumors and innuendo afraid of being kicked in his.

To me the only thing worse than a criminal is a criminal who pretends to be the law.

I eagerly await Peter Nash’s coming clean the day that happens I will personally ride along with him to help clean this hobby I love up. With that said I think I can keep my schedule pretty open because I don’t see Pete ever coming clean.

[CharleyBrown]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Here’s the other thing about Nash that just amazes me. He’s so freaking transparent how do people not see this? He tries so hard to come off as sophisticated, intelligent and caring in regards to the hobby.

However anyone who knows anything about Peter Nash or takes the time to read what is public information can see he is nothing more than a man with a list of legal problems, tax problems and outstanding arrest warrants.

It’s so painfully clear what Nash’s motives are. The whole site is nothing more than a smoke screen to make himself feel better and to draw attention away from his very public issues. He attempts to do this by writing these long drawn out articles in which he drops every name under the sun from Obama, Selig, Lifson, Halper to now other forum owners woven into these Oliver Stone type plots of corruption and espionage.

When he attacks say Barry Halper which he waited until the man was dead to by the way. I can’t help but laugh as he points out “everything seems to lead back to Halper” no kidding the man amassed one of if not the biggest baseball memorabilia collection ever. He was a high profile very public wealthy collector with an appetite for the stuff…hell Pete would have been selling him stuff along with perhaps a few “special” Pete Nash items if he had the chance. Who knows may be he did?

If anything I see Peter Nash wanting to be a Halper, wanting to hang with Halper, drop Halper’s name around town etc. now years later Halper is just another victim in the smear campaign of a man with an agenda hiding from his woes in cyberspace.

Did Halper have stuff that was questionable sadly no doubt. I also think many of us would have had bad items had we built and acquired a collection of that size. In fact Halper would have been and was a big target for the unsavory of the world to work their trade.

The one thing Mr. Nash has in common with Halper is many items seem to come back to Halper…well just as many seem to come back to Nash. Yet strangely that Hauls of Shame article is not posted. Why because in the end the man who’s ridding into town on his white stead to save the hobby is nothing more than a two bit huckster himself. Sort of funny that “Prime Minister Pete Nice” who adopted years of a tough guy persona in a rap band turns out to be an internet dingus. Seems Pete isn’t kicking anyone in the “grill” these days he’s hiding like a little girl spreading rumors and innuendo afraid of being kicked in his.

To me the only thing worse than a criminal is a criminal who pretends to be the law.

I eagerly await Peter Nash’s coming clean the day that happens I will personally ride along with him to help clean this hobby I love up. With that said I think I can keep my schedule pretty open because I don’t see Pete ever coming clean.

+1 I couldn't have said it better myself!

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Here’s the other thing about Nash that just amazes me. He’s so freaking transparent how do people not see this? He tries so hard to come off as sophisticated, intelligent and caring in regards to the hobby.

However anyone who knows anything about Peter Nash or takes the time to read what is public information can see he is nothing more than a man with a list of legal problems, tax problems and outstanding arrest warrants.

It’s so painfully clear what Nash’s motives are. The whole site is nothing more than a smoke screen to make himself feel better and to draw attention away from his very public issues. He attempts to do this by writing these long drawn out articles in which he drops every name under the sun from Obama, Selig, Lifson, Halper to now other forum owners woven into these Oliver Stone type plots of corruption and espionage.

When he attacks say Barry Halper which he waited until the man was dead to by the way. I can’t help but laugh as he points out “everything seems to lead back to Halper” no kidding the man amassed one of if not the biggest baseball memorabilia collection ever. He was a high profile very public wealthy collector with an appetite for the stuff…hell Pete would have been selling him stuff along with perhaps a few “special” Pete Nash items if he had the chance. Who knows may be he did?

If anything I see Peter Nash wanting to be a Halper, wanting to hang with Halper, drop Halper’s name around town etc. now years later Halper is just another victim in the smear campaign of a man with an agenda hiding from his woes in cyberspace.

Did Halper have stuff that was questionable sadly no doubt. I also think many of us would have had bad items had we built and acquired a collection of that size. In fact Halper would have been and was a big target for the unsavory of the world to work their trade.

The one thing Mr. Nash has in common with Halper is many items seem to come back to Halper…well just as many seem to come back to Nash. Yet strangely that Hauls of Shame article is not posted. Why because in the end the man who’s ridding into town on his white stead to save the hobby is nothing more than a two bit huckster himself. Sort of funny that “Prime Minister Pete Nice” who adopted years of a tough guy persona in a rap band turns out to be an internet dingus. Seems Pete isn’t kicking anyone in the “grill” these days he’s hiding like a little girl spreading rumors and innuendo afraid of being kicked in his.

To me the only thing worse than a criminal is a criminal who pretends to be the law.

I eagerly await Peter Nash’s coming clean the day that happens I will personally ride along with him to help clean this hobby I love up. With that said I think I can keep my schedule pretty open because I don’t see Pete ever coming clean.

This should be posted on the autograph forum...most of his Net54 fans hang out in there.

[MooseDog]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

This should be posted on the autograph forum...most of his Net54 fans hang out in there.

Please don't...we're quite aware of Nash over there and he's been discussed ad naseum.

We have enough drama amongst ourselves.