Unbelievable Marciano mess with certification-breaking story.

[travrosty]

hobby news regarding autographs-Hauls of shame breaking big story on the validity of dozens of high price Rocky Marciano "signed" letters being sold for years and years.

full disclosure- i am in the story.

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=2187...comment-200791

[D. Bergin]

I wouldn't put all the blame on PSA and JSA regarding these letters. They also fooled plenty of well respected boxing guys for years.

The signatures are very convincing but the content, and known facts about the general behavior of Marciano give them away.

I know a couple of guys who sussed these out years ago.

Funny how they say, one of Marciano's brothers say "they may not be legit". His bro's are the last people I'd want authenticating his autograph.

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I wouldn't put all the blame on PSA and JSA regarding these letters. They also fooled plenty of well respected boxing guys for years.

The signatures are very convincing but the content, and known facts about the general behavior of Marciano give them away.

I know a couple of guys who sussed these out years ago.

Funny how they say, one of Marciano's brothers say "they may not be legit". His bro's are the last people I'd want authenticating his autograph.

That's all fine, but once they know they're wrong, why won't they admit they're wrong? at minimum, update your exemplars!

[shelly]

I never see them say I am sorry or we got it wrong. This is starting to be a habit with them

[jerseygary]

Being a TPA means never having to say "I'm sorry".

And did you catch the stupid oval JSA sticker affixed to the back that shows through one of the fake letterheads? What the hell is wrong with people!

[D. Bergin]

The auction house mentioned has sold at least 5 of these over the years, according to their own search engine..........without any help from the TPA's.

[ibuysportsephemera]

Originally Posted by travrosty

hobby news regarding autographs-Hauls of shame breaking big story on the validity of dozens of high price Rocky Marciano "signed" letters being sold for years and years.

full disclosure- i am in the story.

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=2187...comment-200791

"I am in the story"- Travis you are the whole story!

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

"I am in the story"- Travis you are the whole story!

maybe but i dont want to be, others helped but its not easy to put your name out there when strange things happen when you do. you get banned from auction houses and get remembered by people that have too much power in the hobby. They had their day in the sun and defending the indefensible like abc and xyz isn't going to work much longer. I have always said I am not against third party authentication as a concept, I think it could work if it were done right, and done responsibly and with check and balances and a customers bill of rights, using experts who know what they are doing and don't cut corners. I have always said that. I am just against the way it is being done right now.

The day will come when you won't see these guys defend their buddies in the abc, xyz industry. When that day comes i will start a thread inviting them to defend those companies, and no one will show up. They will deny them three times before the cock crows. They will say they weren't that close and never really knew those guys. We will all know the truth though. Just wait.

Bill Mastro was king and people were his buddy and photo op every time they had a chance and to speak out was to risk something. Now what happened? You can speak out about him freely because the defenders and buddies won't bother you about it anymore because they jumped off like rats on a burning ship.

[travrosty]

PSA certed 9 of these marciano lettters IN A ROW a few years ago. That means they had all 9 side by side and couldn't figure out the signatures were way too exact spanning over a few years of letters. They had a chance to see it for what it was, but why didnt they catch it?

Are they certifying too fast, too furious?

Joe O., plese comment of how your main guy can't look at 9 of these letters side by side and figure it out?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

maybe but i dont want to be, others helped but its not easy to put your name out there when strange things happen when you do. you get banned from auction houses and get remembered by people that have too much power in the hobby. They had their day in the sun and defending the indefensible like abc and xyz isn't going to work much longer. I have always said I am not against third party authentication as a concept, I think it could work if it were done right, and done responsibly and with check and balances and a customers bill of rights, using experts who know what they are doing and don't cut corners. I have always said that. I am just against the way it is being done right now.

The day will come when you won't see these guys defend their buddies in the abc, xyz industry. When that day comes i will start a thread inviting them to defend those companies, and no one will show up. They will deny them three times before the cock crows. They will say they weren't that close and never really knew those guys. We will all know the truth though. Just wait.

Bill Mastro was king and people were his buddy and photo op every time they had a chance and to speak out was to risk something. Now what happened? You can speak out about him freely because the defenders and buddies won't bother you about it anymore because they jumped off like rats on a burning ship.

Poor, poor Travis....

You mean like when your friends over at ANL post anonymous, cowardly and disgusting lies about Mr. Zipper and myself every time we criticize your friend Todd Mueller, Travis.

I've never read any nasty and disgusting lies posted about you, Travis, because of your views and opinions.

By the way, Travis, are any of your friends over at ANL also members of your new autograph site?

[travrosty]

you know its so ridiculous that if these marciano's had been exposed with coaches corner or ace certs that these same characters would run a 50 page thread on them. but because it's there buddies they like to criticize everyone BUT the people responsible for issuing third party certs for these autographs, that is PSA AND JSA.

Let's put the blame where it lies. We have no problem bashing ACE over the head, let's give it to psa and jsa when they deserve it too!

psa, jsa, ace, just all the same group of authenticators who don't know good boxing autographs from bad.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by travrosty

you know its so ridiculous that if these marciano's had been exposed with coaches corner or ace certs that these same characters would run a 50 page thread on them. but because it's there buddies they like to criticize everyone BUT the people responsible for issuing third party certs for these autographs, that is PSA AND JSA.

Let's put the blame where it lies. We have no problem bashing ACE over the head, let's give it to psa and jsa when they deserve it too!

psa, jsa, ace, just all the same group of authenticators who don't know good boxing autographs from bad.

Perhaps you've not been paying attention, but PSA and JSA take a pretty good bashing here too, much more I would say than the obvious suspects like STAT, ACE and Morales. They also happen to have more people in their corner than the obvious suspects because they actually do get it right more often than not.