Scans Needed for OldCardboard's Baseball HOF Rookie Card Database

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks to a collective effort from many in the hobby as well as the continuous efforts of Lyman Hardeman in keeping everything up-to-date, the Baseball Hall of Fame Rookie Card database found on the OldCardboard website now includes scans of over 90% of all cards listed (see below link):

http://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/rookies/RookiesList.asp

At this point, it has become extremely difficult to fill in the remaining gaps so we would like to take this opportunity to ask for assistance from our fellow collectors who might have a scan or scans that we are still missing in the database. If you have something and would be willing to share it with us, please forward your scan(s) via e-mail to vguerrerobb@yahoo.com and/or editor@oldcardboard.com and we will update the database accordingly.

As always, your input is greatly appreciated and we look forward to working towards 100% completion of this project one day.


-Phil Garry

[JP]

Phil,

I followed your link....impressive database!

How are we supposed to tell which scans you are in need of without clicking on all 292 links? Do you have a master list of missing items?

JP

[rhettyeakley]

Phil, short of scouring the database is there a list of the cards you need scans of? If there is anything I own that would help you guys I would be more than happy to provide one for you
-Rhett

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks for the quick response, guys. Unfortunately, we do not have a way to sort through the database and extract only the cards that we are missing scans of. Therefore, I will start to work on that process manually tonight and will work as quickly as possible to compile a list of the scans that we are still missing and I will post it in this thread once complete.

[Brian Van Horn]

Phil,

Scans sent of the 1917 Boston Store Rixey, 1916 D381 Fleischmann Bakery Rousch (without tab) and 1925-1931 W590 Vance.

[the-illini]

Phil,

I sent you a scan of my V89 Travis Jackson.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Here is a complete alphabetical list of the scans that we are still missing from the BB HOF RC database:


Ashburn,Richie - 1949 Lumis Peanut Butter
Baker,Frank - 1910 W600
Banks,Ernie - 1954 All-Star Photo Pack
Beckley,Jake - 1904 Allegheny
Beckley,Jake - 1904 Anonymous Studio Cabinets
Bench,Johnny - 1968 Cincinnati Team Issue
Bender,Chief - 1906 Lincoln Publishing Postcard
Bottomley,Jim - 1925 Exhibits
Brock,Lou - 1964 Jay Publishing
Bulkeley,Morgan - 1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcard
Campanella,Roy - 1949 Brooklyn Team Issue
Campanella,Roy - 1950 R423
Carey,Max - 1911 T332 Helmar Stamps
Carter,Gary - 1975 Montreal Team Issue
Cartwright,Alexander - 1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcard
Chadwick,Henry - 1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcard
Chance,Frank - 1904 Allegheny
Chance,Frank - 1905-09 Carl Horner Cabinets
Chylak,Nestor - 2004 Topps Tribute
Clemente,Roberto - 1956 Pittsburgh Team Issue
Collins,Eddie - 1907-09 Carl Horner Cabinets
Comiskey,Charles - 1887 Gypsy Queens
Connolly,Tom - 1973-80 TCMA All-Time Greats
Cooper,Andy - 1987 David Lipscomb
Cronin,Joe - 1931 Washington Team Issue
Cummings,Candy - 1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcard
Dawson,Andre - 1977 Montreal Team Issue
Dawson,Andre - 1978 Montreal Team Issue
Doerr,Bobby - 1940 Boston Team Issue
Dreyfuss,Barney - 2006 Jewish Baseball Update
Drysdale,Don - 1956 Jay Publishing WS
Duffy,Hugh - 1890 Stevens Studio Cabinets
Durocher,Leo - 1921-30 ML Die-Cuts
Durocher,Leo - 1931-32 4-on-1 Exhibits
Durocher,Leo - 1933 Worch Cigars
Eckersley,Dennis - 1976 Cleveland Team Issue
Evers,Johnny - 1904 Allegheny
Ewing,Buck - 1886 J. Wood Studio Cabinet
Faber,Red - 1917 Boston Store
Fisk,Carlton - 1972 Boston Team Issue
Foster,Rube - 1983 Conlon Marketcom
Galvin,Pud - 1888-89 Old Judge Cabinets
Gehrig,Lou - 1926 Exhibits
Gordon,Joe - 1939 World Wide Gum
Goslin,Goose - 1925 Exhibits
Gwynn,Tony - 1983 San Diego Team Issue
Hafey,Chick - 1927 Middy Bread Die-Cuts
Haines,Jesse - 1922 W501
Hamilton,Billy - 1899 Chickering Studio Cabinets
Harris,Bucky - 1922 E122 American Caramel
Harris,Bucky - 1922 W573
Hartnett,Gabby - 1925 Exhibits
Harvey,Doug - 1989 T & M Sports Umpires
Harvey,Doug - 1990 T & M Sports Umpires
Heilmann,Harry - 1917 Collins McCarthy
Herman,Bill - 1933 Worch Cigars
Herzog,Whitey - 1956-60 Kansas City Team Issue
Hooper,Harry - 1909 Boston Herald Supplements
Hornsby,Rogers - 1917 Standard Biscuit
Hornsby,Rogers - 1917 Boston Store
Hoyt,Waite - 1921 Gassler's American Maid Bread
Huggins,Miller - 1908-09 Rose Company Postcards
Jenkins,Fergie - 1966 Pro's Pizza
Jennings,Hugh - 1899-00 M101-1
Johnson,Ban - 1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcard
Johnson,Ban - 1944-52 Albertype HOF Postcard
Johnson,Walter - 1907-09 Carl Horner Cabinets
Joss,Addie - 1905 Cleveland Souvenier Postcard
Kaline,Al - 1954 All-Star Photo Pack
Keeler,Willie - 1899-00 M101-1
Klein,Chuck - 1929 Leader Novelty Candy
Klem,Bill - 1935 Schutter Johnson
Koufax,Sandy - 1956 Brooklyn Team Issue
Lazzeri,Tony - 1926 Yankees Kut-Outs
Lemon,Bob - 1948 Safe-T-Card
Lindstrom,Fred - 1925-31 W590
Lindstrom,Fred - 1926 Giants Kut-Outs
Lloyd,Pop - 1910 Punch
Lopez,Al - 1933 4-on-1 Exhibits
Lopez,Al - 1933 Double Header Coins
Mack,Connie - 1888 G & B Chewing Gum
Mack,Connie - 1888 Yum Yum Tobacco
MacPhail,Larry - 1982 Ohio Hall of Fame
Manush,Heinie - 1931-32 4-on-1 Exhibits
Marichal,Juan - 1962 Jay Publishing
Marquard,Rube - 1908 Indianapolis Postcard
Marquard,Rube - 1908 Hall's Studio Cabinets
Mathews,Ed - 1950-56 JJK Copyart Photographers
Mathews,Ed - 1953 Spic & Span Barves
Mazeroski,Bill - 1956 Pittsburgh Team Issue
Mazeroski,Bill - 1958 Kahn's
McCarthy,Joe - 1930 Chicago Evening American Pinbacks
McCarthy,Tommy - 1888 Gray Studio Cabinet
McGowan,Bill - 1994 Conlon
McGowan,Bill - 2004 Topps Tribute
McGraw,John - 1895 Ashman Studio Cabinet
McKechnie,Bill - 1911 Pinkerton Cabinets
McKechnie,Bill - 1925 Anonymous Postcards
Mize,Johnny - 1936 Overland Candy
Mize,Johnny - 1938 4-on-1 Exhibits
Morgan,Joe - 1965 Houston Team Issue
Murray,Eddie - 1977 Baltimore Photo Album
Murray,Eddie - 1978 Baltimore Team Issue
Musial,Stan - 1946 Sears Postcards
Niekro,Phil - 1965 Jay Publishing
O'Rourke,Jim - 1886 Old Judge
O'Rourke,Jim - 1886 J. Wood Studio Cabinet
O'Rourke,Jim - 1886 H812
Palmer,Jim - 1965 Baltimore Team Issue
Palmer,Jim - 1966 Baltimore Team Issue
Pennock,Herb - 1922 William Paterson
Perez,Tony - 1963 San Diego Team Issue
Perez,Tony - 1964 Cincinnati Team Issue
Perez,Tony - 1965 Cincinnati Team Issue
Perez,Tony - 1965 Cincinnati Enquirer
Perry,Gaylord - 1961 Tacoma Bank
Perry,Gaylord - 1962 Giants Photo Album
Rice,Sam - 1917 Standard Biscuit
Ripken,Cal - 1981 Baltimore Team Issue
Rixey,Eppa - 1915 PM1 Ornate Frame Pinbacks
Rixey,Eppa - 1916 Standard Biscuit
Rizzuto,Phil - 1947 W602
Roberts,Robin - 1949 Lumis Peanut Butter
Robinson,Brooks - 1958 Baltimore Team Issue
Robinson,Brooks - 1955-61 Don Wingfield Postcards
Rogan,Bullet - 1986 Larry Fritsch NL
Roush,Edd - 1916 Standard Biscuit
Rusie,Amos - 1888-89 Old Judge Cabinets
Rusie,Amos - 1973-80 TCMA All-Time Greats
Schmidt,Mike - 1973 Philadelphia Team Issue
Sewell,Joe - 1922 W501
Slaughter,Enos - 1946 Sears Postcard
Smith,Hilton - 1987 Phil Dixon NL
Snider,Duke - 1949 Brooklyn Team Issue
Spalding,Albert - 1872 Warren Studio Cabinets
Spalding,Albert - 1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards
Speaker,Tris - 1908-09 Rose Company Postcards
Stargell,Willie - 1964 KDKA Pirates
Stearnes,Turkey - 1995 Negro League Legends
Sutter,Bruce - 1976 Chicago Tribune
Sutter,Bruce - 1977 Jewel Tea Cubs
Terry,Bill - 1926 Exhibits
Terry,Bill - 1928 Greiner's Bread
Thompson,Sam - 1888-89 Old Judge Cabinets
Tinker,Joe - 1904 Allegheny
Veeck,Bill - 1952 St. Louis Postcards
Veeck,Bill - 1953 St. Louis Postcards
Waddell,Rube - 1899-00 M101-1
Waner,Lloyd - 1927 York Caramels
Waner,Lloyd - 1928 Tharp's Ice Cream
Ward,John - 1886 J. Wood Studio Cabinet
Weaver,Earl - 1967-69 Baltimore Team Issue
Weaver,Earl - 1970 Baltimore Team Issue
Wells,Willie - 1987 Phil Dixon NL
Wells,Willie - 1988 Conlon NL
Wilhelm,Hoyt - 1950-56 JJK Copyart Photographers
Williams,Billy - 1962 Jay Publishing
Williams,Joe - 1986 Larry Fritsch NL
Williams,Joe - 1988 Conlon NL
Williams,Ted - 1939 World Wide Gum
Willis,Vic - 1904 Allegheny
Wilson,Jud - 1991 Pomegranate Postcards
Wright,George - 1939-43 HOF Sepia Postcards
Wright,Harry - 1872 Warren Studio Cabinets
Wynn,Early - 1948 Gunther Beer Postcard
Yawkey,Tom - 1980-88 SSPC HOF
Yawkey,Tom - 1981-89 HOF Metallic Plaques
Young,Cy - 1899-00 M101-1


Once again, if you can provide any of these scans for us, please e-mail to: vguerrerobb@yahoo.com and/or editor@oldcardboard.com

Thanks again for your help!

-Phil & Lyman

[ledsters]

Phil,

Scans sent of Ozzie Smith cards.

[bcbgcbrcb]

A complete listing of scans still needed is now available in Post #7 of this thread.

Thanks again,

Phil

[Baseball Rarities]

Scans sent on:

N173 Delahanty
N173 Nichols
N173 Radbourn
Gypsy Queen McCarthy
Gypsy Queen Radbourn
Gypsy Queen Thompson

[HRBAKER]

'49 Schoendienst Eureka Sportstamps & Pie Traynor '25 Exhibit

[lhardem]

Jeff, thanks for your scans of Traynor and Schoendienst. They have both been added to the Rookie Card database. We appreciate your support.

Lyman

[HRBAKER]

Lyman,
You are welcome.
Jeff

[drdduet]

Hi Phil,

Just a note on the Coupon Wheat card pictured....it's not a type 1 (1910) issue, it appears to be type 2 (1914). Type 1's were issued with brown captions, you could use a T206, no one would notice....

[ValKehl]

1917-20 Felix Mendelsohn - Sam Rice
and
1948-50 Safe-T Card - Early Wynn

Phil & Lyman, thanks for accomplishing this great project!
Val

[brianp-beme]

Checking through the list I spotted an E122 of Bucky Harris...unless I am mistaken, I don't believe this card exists.

I do have a W503 of Pennock that I can scan in the next few days.

Brian

[Jacklitsch]

M114 Lyons. 1925?

[rhettyeakley]

Brian, I too believe the Bucky Harris card in the E122 checklist is a mistake. The SCD has him listed as Sam Harris, which he is listed as in the E220 set. They both have the "box" thing at the bottom of the card (but are completely different types of "boxes") so I am thinking the E220 mistakenly got listed as a E122 card as well. Also, I have serious doubts about the Perry Lipe card also listed in the E122 checklist.

These cards (E122) were simply E121 cards with a frame added around them and rephotographed--in a way similar to the way Jay et al describe the Old Judge (N172) cards production. Thus I have a hard time believing they created new cards for Perry Lipe and Bucky Harris that weren't produced in the E121 Series of 80 (like evry other card in the set).
-Rhett

[bcbgcbrcb]

Brian:

Thank you for your reply. The Bucky Harris is listed in the 2010 Standard Catalogue but under the name Sam Harris. If you can provide a scan of the Pennock that would be great and much appreciated.

Thanks

[ValKehl]

1921-30 ML Die-Cut of Joe Cronin.

[oldjudge]

Lyman--I'm a bit confused. i thought a "rookie" card had to be a major league card. Clark Griffith's Old Judge card pictures him on Milwaukee of the Western Association, a minor league. Honus Wagner's card should, I believe, be the Sporting News insert, not the Nat'l Copper Plate, which I believe was issued after the Sporting News. Also, Kid Nichols is only pictured in the Old Judge set as a member of the minor league Omaha Omahogs.

Phil--Why are you asking for non-rookie images? (Beckley, Duffy, McCarthy, Rusie, Thompson)

[bcbgcbrcb]

Jay:

Thank you for your inquiry regarding our project. Probably the toughest decision that Lyman and I had to make on this database was whether to include minor league cards. My original listings did not include them but after discussing further with Lyman, we felt it best to include them in the database and leave it up to the individual collector as to whether or not they want to include them in their collection. The prime example that we looked at was the 1914 Baltimore News Ruth. How would we not mention this iconic card in a rookie card database although it is a minor league issue and many collectors prefer to stick to major league cards?

The reason for the scans of non-rookie cards is that we decided to publish a "Top 5" rather than select one single card for each Hall of Famer as this might give a budget conscious collector the next best option if a top rookie card or even a second or third choice is not obtainable for them due to cost constraints.

Hopefully, this clarifies why we made the choices that we did but ultimately the collector has the final say in her or her collection.

[lhardem]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Lyman--I'm a bit confused. i thought a "rookie" card had to be a major league card. Clark Griffith's Old Judge card pictures him on Milwaukee of the Western Association, a minor league. Honus Wagner's card should, I believe, be the Sporting News insert, not the Nat'l Copper Plate, which I believe was issued after the Sporting News. Also, Kid Nichols is only pictured in the Old Judge set as a member of the minor league Omaha Omahogs.

Phil--Why are you asking for non-rookie images? (Beckley, Duffy, McCarthy, Rusie, Thompson)

Jay, I agree with Phil's reply. It's often a matter of a collector's personal preferance how he (or she) structures a set and defines "what is a rookie card" (or even "what is a card," for that matter). As we have long discussed on this Forum, there is no universal definition.

So our approach, generally, was to select the earliest five cards to represent each HOFer and let each collector decide whether to include pre-rookie cards, supplements, postcards, exhibits, stamps, etc. that others may not want to consider for their collections. Also, at least for many HOFers, there are multiple "rookie cards" (by your definition) so we wanted to show all "options." In other words, "we report; you decide."

With possibly one or two exceptions, we have ordered the earliest five cards for each HOFer in chronological order.

Hope this helps. We are always open to suggestions and feedback from all collectors and we sincerely appreciate the tremendous support that we have received for this and other projects.

Lyman

[orator1]

"So our approach, generally, was to select the earliest five cards to represent each HOFer and let each collector decide...With possibly one or two exceptions, we have ordered the earliest five cards for each HOFer in chronological order...We are always open to suggestions and feedback from all collectors."

Lyman, Phil,
I would appreciate if you could clarify some card dates.
Your rookie card site for O'Rourke has the following two dates:

1886 Joseph Hall Cabinet
1886 Kalamazoo Bats

The SCBC has the Joseph Hall Cabinets issued in 1888...which date is correct?
Also, your website list of N-cards has Kalamazoo Bats issued in 1887, which is also the date in the SCBC book. Were K-Bats cards also issued in 1886 or is 1887 the correct date?

If the Joseph Hall Cabinets were issued in 1888, then maybe the 5th earliest card could be the 1887 N172 Old Judge or the 1887 N284 Buchner?
If you would like scans of either card just let me know.

Paul C.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Paul C.:

Upon further research, the Joseph Hall Cabinet that you mentioned can be definitively attributed to an issue date of 1888-89 so therefore we are adjusting our database accordingly. Although the most commonly catalogued date of issue for the individual player - Kalamazoo Bats cards is 1887, based on extensive research of in-season traders/team changes that took place during the 1886 season, it appears that the 1886 date is in fact the accurate one, assuming that this set was not produced over two or more seasons (highly unlikely).

[brianp-beme]

It is not pretty, but here is my W503 of Pennock.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks for posting the scan of Pennock. Lyman and I really appreciate your contribution.

-Phil

[Cat]

Phil:
Scan sent X 2

[paul]

Phil and Lyman,

Here are the 1956 team issue Alston, the Graphic Arts Bunning, and the 1988 T&M Doug Harvey.

Paul

[paul]

W501 Southworth

[bcbgcbrcb]

Paul:

Thank you very much for your help with those four scans, it is much appreciated.

-Phil

[Misunderestimated]

A couple more.... I figured it would be more interesting to post them then to simply email them even those these are "just" commemorative cards..

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks much for the scans of H. Smith & Conlan.

=Phil

[lhardem]

Paul and Misunderestimated,

Your scans have now been added to the HOF Rookie Card database. We really appreciate the input all have provided.

Thanks again,
Lyman & Phil

[paul]

Here's a 39 Goudey Joe Gordon if you still need it. I will try soon to post scans of the last few missing cards that I have.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks, Paul. The Joe Gordon scan is much appreciated.

-Phil

[slidekellyslide]

This information is probably not well known in the hobby, but Jake Beckley appears on an 1887 Team cabinet photo of the Lincoln Tree Planters.

This image came out of an old auction catalog and is as good as I can get it.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Dan:

That's an awesome cabinet card picturing Beckley which I never knew existed, thanks for sharing it!

Since it is a team composite cabinet, we are going to hold off on including it in our database as we have made a conscious decision not to include team cards, ie T200's, W601 Postcards, etc. We feel that the general concensus among Rookie Card collectors is that Rookie Cards are individual player (and occasionally dual or quadruple) cards.

[paul]

Phil,

Here's my final four. I'm not sure of the year of the Brock, but it's no later than '64 since he's a Cub. The Ford is postmarked January 12, 1954.

I've also included a scan you'll need pretty soon -- the 1967 Venezuelan Bobby Cox.

Paul

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks a lot for the scans, Paul. We are now 4 1/2 steps closer to completion!

- Phil

[triwak]

Hey Phil,

Here's a couple of PCs you may not know about. The Smokey Joe Williams is a PC made of a 1985 painting by Deryl Daniel Mackie, in conjunction with a traveling art exhibition called "Diamonds Are Forever: Artists and Writers on Baseball," which took place in 1987 (hence the date that I assigned it on my label). The postcard was published by The Contemporary Arts Center in Cincinnati.

The 2nd PC is an autographed government issue of George Weiss, supposedly made during the 1950s, though I'm not really certain of the date. I've included a scan of the back of this one.

Hope these help.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Ken,

Thanks for the scans. I also sent you an e-mail.

-Phil

[Misunderestimated]

Another one from your list:
TCMA Cal Hubbard Post card

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thank you very much for the scan of the Call Hubbard

-Phil

[paul]

Phil,

I'm not sure if you saw this one. Maybe you even were the winner.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...torefresh=true

Paul

[bcbgcbrcb]

Paul:

Thanks for posting the F-Robby scan, I did see that one on e-bay but was not involved in the bidding. Looks like someone got a pretty nice bargain, especially if the auto is legit. I have not been able to come up with any catalogued 1956 Cincinnati Team Issue photo set so we have not included that one in the database yet. If anyone can provide more definitive info on that set, we would be very excited to make that "card" a new addition to the HOF RC database.

[paul]

The seller told me it was a one-year uniform style, used only in 1956. I believe it is the same photo as his 57 Topps card. I have the 1957 team issue, and it is a very different picture (a portrait, shown in the standard catalog), so the ebay one is not from 57. I suppose it could be from 58 or later, though 56 sounds like the most likely candidate so far.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Paul:

I just did the reasearch and it appears that you are perfectly correct, that is a 1956 Cincy Team Issue Frank Robby. That one will be added to the HOF RC database very shortly. Thanks again for the scan.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks to the efforts of many board members, we have now added over 30 additional scans that we were previously missing from our HOF RC database. If anyone else has any images to add from our master list located on page 1 of this thread, please e-mail scans to: vguerrerobb@yahoo.com and/or editor@oldcardboard.com

- Phil & Lyman

[wonkaticket]

May have been posted or not..but I think this is one you need...I'll check my hard drive for the rest.

Cheers,

John