Now that it's done, a rare Sociedade Industrial Babe Ruth card

[npa589]

It just finished, didn't want to out it before it was done. I bid on it, and maybe some of you did as well. Maybe one of you whippersnappers won it! I thought it might have been trimmed on the bottom after comparing it to the only other example I found. Otherwise, these cards were not printed the exact same, and either contained a different amount of the image, or were not the same size.

The 1928 Tabacalera La Morena Babe Ruth uses the same image, aside from whatever that tinting is. The only example I've seen of that is also short top to bottom when compared to the example at Lelands (below). The Tabacalera La Morena can be found here:
http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...ntoryid=110289

Lelands example of 1928 Sociedade Industrial RUTH: http://www.lelands.com/Auction/Aucti...(PSA-EX-MT-6_5)


eBay example that just finished:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Baseball-Bab...p2047675.l2557


Anyone know anything else about these?


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[Leon]

I was watching it but have a few already. It wasn't a steal but was a good price. The one that was posted on the board, previous to this, was a really good deal.... I thought.

[Exhibitman]

The seller had a bunch of cards from the set for sale including boxing, hockey, tennis and some other sports. The Dempsey cards had some killer prices: Anywhere from $342 for an action scene to $907 for the solo pose.

[Leon]

And of course I am biased but this is one of my favorite ones...

[npa589]

Leon......I can see why that would be one of your favorites. What a card! It's really an intriguing set.

I found it neat that the seller was in Portugal, where I presume these were distributed, among other Spanish/Portuguese speaking countries.

I was really surprised by the prices of the Dempsey examples as well Adam.

[Exhibitman]

BTW the set has to be a late 1928 issue at earliest because there is a card from the Tunney-Heeney fight from July 1928.

Dempsey stuff has been doing really well lately. Don't know why

[jhs5120]

I won the Webb and the Harper, but my snipe didn't quite win the Ruth.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

BTW the set has to be a late 1928 issue at earliest because there is a card from the Tunney-Heeney fight from July 1928.

Dempsey stuff has been doing really well lately. Don't know why

I think there is a chance it could have been a multi-year set. Here is a NY Times I have from April 1927.....

[glchen]

I won the Ruth card. Definitely not a steal like the one Leon won especially since the seller marked the condition as Very Good, so not sure if there's some damage to the card like scrapbook residue. Not sure if it's cut short either. I guess I'll see when I get the card in. At least, it's affordable compared to the Leland's one, which was graded in much better condition, however, and will match the Tabacalera one that I won from Legendary (crossed over to PSA). (Thanks for not outing the auction! )

[CW]

Originally Posted by Leon

And of course I am biased but this is one of my favorite ones...

The image on that card is so cool, it is beyond cool.

[glchen]

That's a great image. It's also on a magazine cover from April 1927.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glchen

That's a great image. It's also on a magazine cover from April 1927.

Very interesting but not surprising. In small letters on that cover it says it was published by the NY Times. I guess they had the photo that was used.

[HercDriver]

Are you really "outing" something in a Legendary Auction? Can you "out" something in an REA auction? To me, you can't. I can understand an Ebay auction where the item is in the wrong category or something, but not a major auction house. I think the board members lose when there is no discussion on items while there's still time to make an informed decision. Just one dude's opinion...

Take Care,
Geno

[ullmandds]

What a great shot of the babe and cobb late in his career!!!!! I wonder if the babe learned anything!!!?

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

What a great shot of the babe and cobb late in his career!!!!! I wonder if the babe learned anything!!!?

Maybe don't hold bats by your crotch

[npa589]

The use of outing in this case was specifically attributed to not making others aware of the ongoing eBay auction. By definition, if there was a baseball-card-dictionary, I surmise that "outing" would be an advertisement for any auction other than that put forth by the seller or auction house.
That would mean outing a T206 COBB in a REA auction. The thing that I think people have a problem is not with the "outing" in general, but instead with how successful the "outing" of the auction is, with this success being determined by the percentage increase of added exposure an item receives contrary to what it would have received had it not been "outed". Clearly, outing a T206 Cobb in an REA auction will add no dramatic percentage increase in viewership.

Outing an authentic T206 Cobb on eBay that was titled "nice cadr, been in collction lon timg frmo gpa" in the Knitting category when you and one other person were the only 2 people who had come across it, well, would be rather infuriating to the other person.

Basically Geno, for the most part, I agree you with regard to the "outing" of REA auctions or other major auction houses. There may be certain situations though where even auctions in major auction houses may go unnoticed by 1 person, which could save one person thousands of dollars. Frequently, when we're all bidding on things, it ends up between 1 or 2 buyers.

Originally Posted by HercDriver

Are you really "outing" something in a Legendary Auction? Can you "out" something in an REA auction? To me, you can't. I can understand an Ebay auction where the item is in the wrong category or something, but not a major auction house. I think the board members lose when there is no discussion on items while there's still time to make an informed decision. Just one dude's opinion...

Take Care,
Geno

[Paul S]

2.5x the height of a quarter -- must have gone for .65 cents

Originally Posted by Leon

And of course I am biased but this is one of my favorite ones...

[triwak]

Does anyone else notice the slight difference in the viewing angle between the card's image and the one from the magazine cover, particularly with the Babe's head? Probably multiple shots taken.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by triwak

Does anyone else notice the slight difference in the viewing angle between the card's image and the one from the magazine cover, particularly with the Babe's head? Probably multiple shots taken.

Interesting. I hadn't noticed that. Also, Ty has on a bigger smile on the magazine cover than on the card. I bet it was multiple shots...

[HercDriver]

Nate --

Good points, and I agree with them. The only issue I would add is that we assume "outing" an auction costs the winner thousands of dollars potentially. However, the counterpoint is also valid. If somebody wins something for a substantial amount, only to find it was not what it was presented as (fake, trimmed, etc), then "outing" it by discussing it on N54 would have saved the potential winner that same $$. I know there's no answer that would be widely accepted, however I wouldn't mind if somebody chimed in on something I was bidding on if they thought it was "not as advertised." Even if it's questionable, it makes all bidders more knowledgable and reflects in the final price.

And btw, I missed in my original post that it was an Ebay auction. I clicked on the Legendary link and thought we were talking about that one. I need to read more carefully before responding! It doesn't change my thoughts, but just wanted to clarify why my first response may not have made sense!

Take Care,
Geno

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think there is a chance it could have been a multi-year set. Here is a NY Times I have from April 1927.....

I Agee with Adam, I won the hockey card...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hockey-Canad...vip=true&rt=nc
I'm pretty sure this is depicting the final game of the 1928 St moritz Olympic Games between Canada and Switzerland. I don't think they were a multi year set because if they were updating this or the Tabacalera set we would see different cards with the same number.

That being said I actually prefer the Tabacalera La Morena set with its terrible tinting than the Portugese issue.

[Exhibitman]

I was an underbidder on that one Rhett; great card. Can you ID any of the players yet?