Mantle Master Set Variations

[Bestdj777]

Are there any other Mantle Master Set collectors out there? I have a couple of quick questions if you guys don't mind.

Have any of you been able to purchase, or at least seen, the 1962 Post Canadian 163 Hits "4th time" variation? I have yet to see this variation, and it is the last card I need for my Post/Jello subset (I am not looking to buy given a lack of funds right now, but I would love to see a scan or at least get confirmation that it exists).

Was also wondering what your thoughts were on the 1952 Topps variation? Do you view both as required cards for the set? I know it is a personal preference thing, but I am just curious what your arguments are for or against including it. I know I've made some judgment calls myself--don't collect panels or test issues--but have always been on the fence about whether this was needed to complete my Topps Mantle set.

[ALR-bishop]

In the last issue of the SCD Standard Catalog ( 2012)the Mantle variation for the 1952 set was listed, along with the Robinson and Thompson. On all three it lists the variation as the stitching on the back. But there are also front differences on the Mantle, for example a wavy or straight star line, a clipped or full e on the auto, tails or not on the upper borders and pixel or not on left. Here are mine;




I don't think it is included in the PSA master set list

Larry S ( sflayank) may have infor on your other card

[Bestdj777]

Thanks Al. I really appreciate you weighing in given your vast knowledge on the subject. I did not know the variation was included in the latest Collectors Digest. I use an older addition and figured if Bob Lemke wasn't including it, and neither was PSA, maybe I could leave it out and still call my set complete. The addition to the Collectors Digest changes things though.

Beautiful cards by the way. Love the PSA 8 (I have that variation but in significantly lesser grade) and the overall look of the ungraded card. Also like the rarer test issue cards I've seen you post in other threads. Very impressive collection.

[hammer]

Great 52 Mantles Al. Someday I would love to own 1 they are at the top of my list but every time I arrive their something else comes up or low on funds, They sure are beautiful

[tedzan]

I have (or have had) every Bowman, Topps, Bazooka, Dan Dee, and Post Mantle cards. I still have my 1952 Topps....but, this 1969 Mantle (BLUE
background) appears to be "unique".
I acquired this Mantle card back in the 1986. I have searched for another one with this color for 26 years; and, have not seen one.

I'm wondering if anyone else on this forum has seen this Mantle card with the BLUE background ?

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TED Z

[ALR-bishop]

Ted---I have most of his Topps cards, including the W and Y for 69, but have not seen one like that before

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

Have any of you been able to purchase, or at least seen, the 1962 Post Canadian 163 Hits "4th time" variation? I have yet to see this variation, and it is the last card I need for my Post/Jello subset (I am not looking to buy given a lack of funds right now, but I would love to see a scan or at least get confirmation that it exists).

Just wanted to follow up quickly to confirm that this variation does exist. I finally came across one on ebay. Unfortunately, the seller is asking $3,000 for it, which is probably $2,800 more than the card is worth.

[whiteymet]

Hi All:

Mantle does come with both the the MUTOSCOPE and plain line versions on the Exhibit Postcard Backs. See below.

PSA or the submitter (is that a word??) did not know enough or chose not to list it as a postcard back for some reason.

In any event I am always looking for these PC backs. My wants and those available to trade are:

EXHIBIT POSTCARD BACK WANTLIST EITHER BACK:

Ritchie Ashburn MADE IN U.S.A., Campanella, Hodgers, Kaline, Kluzewski, Mathews, Musial, Reese, Robinson, Sauer, Snider

NEED W/MUTOSCOPE BACK: Adcock, Atwell, Banks, Baumholtz, Berra, Feller, Gromek, Kellner, Lockman, Mays, McDougald, Mele, Pafko, Porterfield, Schoendienst, Trucks, Waitkus, Woodling, Zernial, Indians Team card


NEED W/O MUTOSCOPE: Baker, Bilko, Doby, Hegan, Irvin, Maglie, Minoso, Mitchell, Stephens,

DUPES: Dropo, Fain (Muto) , Goodman, Groth, Hermanski, Lockman, Schmitz, Trucks, Vernon, Wertz (Muto), Zernial.

[baldeaglefan]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

Just wanted to follow up quickly to confirm that this variation does exist. I finally came across one on ebay. Unfortunately, the seller is asking $3,000 for it, which is probably $2,800 more than the card is worth.

Yes, it does exist. I have one and I know of another collector who has one. According to Dan W. Mabey's Northern Exposure book it was printed on the back of Post Grape Nuts.

[MW1]

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[MW1]

Originally Posted by baldeaglefan

Yes, it does exist. I have one and I know of another collector who has one. According to Dan W. Mabey's Northern Exposure book it was printed on the back of Post Grape Nuts.

Can you post an image of your card?

[MW1]

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[Bestdj777]

MW1,

Thank you for your reply. I am assuming that this card belongs to you? If so, I hope I did not offend you with my assessment of the price. The card is obviously worth whatever someone is willing to pay you for it, and I wish you all the best with your sale.

I am curious as to what makes you think that this is a newly discovered variation though? I've spoken with other collectors on the board with extensive post collections who are certain there are only three variations: 1) 153 hits, 2) 163 hits, 4th time in, and 3) 163 hits, 4th time. I have never seen another "163 hits, 4th time" card apart from the one you have listed. Do you have another that you compared yours to? If so, I would love to see it. The type 3 you linked to, is actually a "153 hits" variation. I believe I messaged the seller to confirm, as it is difficult to distinguish between a 5 and 6 in scans of these cards. Please don't take these comments as offensive or rude, just really trying to nail down what variations actually exist. Before your listing, I was not even 100% convinced a "163 hits, 4th time" variation actually existed.

[MW1]

Bestdj777,

I think you're correct -- it's probably the "c" variation (the eBay listing has been changed to reflect this). I find it curious, however, about the pricing structure in most price guides. The "c" variation, at least in the case of the card I have listed, has a back similar to the other short prints in the Canadian Post series (lighter vs. darker). In all the years I've attended conventions in Canada, it is also the only example I have seen.

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by MW1

Bestdj777,

I think you're correct -- it's probably the "c" variation (the eBay listing has been changed to reflect this). I find it curious, however, about the pricing structure in most price guides. The "c" variation, at least in the case of the card I have listed, has a back similar to the other short prints in the Canadian Post series (lighter vs. darker). In all the years I've attended conventions in Canada, it is also the only example I have seen.

It's amazing how difficult that card is to find. When I first started looking, I saw that it was comparably priced and always thought it was be just as easy as the others to locate.