Coach's Corner unopened Piedmont pack

[thebigtrain]

Coach's thinks there's possibly a Honus Wagner T-206 in this unopened Piedmont cigarette pack:

http://www.myccsa.com/lot/260/1909-1...6-bb-card.aspx

LOL. That pack looks to be 1950s to 1960s era. It might even have a Surgeon General's Warning on the side panel.

[bat_master]

I noticed the phrase "Liggett Group Inc" on the front of the pack.

Directly from the Liggett Group Wikipedia Page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liggett_Group)

"The company again changed its name in 1976 to Liggett Group, Inc., with Liggett & Myers Tobacco Company as a division."

Yikes.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by bat_master

I noticed the phrase "Liggett Group Inc" on the front of the pack.

Directly from the Liggett Group Wikipedia Page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liggett_Group)

"The company again changed its name in 1976 to Liggett Group, Inc., with Liggett & Myers Tobacco Company as a division."

Yikes.

[Leon]

To me that listing is outright fraud.

[rjackson44]

they think a lot of things

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by Leon

To me that listing is outright fraud.

+1

If the winner wants to double their odds though, I have this Powerball ticket available. It's good in any state, with equal odds of winning.

[Runscott]

Whoever runs that place should be taken out back to the woodshed and whipped with a peach tree limb - a nice thin, limber one.

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[canjond]

Come on guys - "live life to it's [sic] fullest"

[GKreindler]

Tiiiiiieeeeddd to the whipping post...

[Kawika]

These guys are utterly without shame. How they have dodged justice for all these years now is a mystery.

[JT]

Don't forget the PSA/DNA "certified" Babe Ruth signed ball.

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot/260/babe-r...-baseball.aspx

[Shoeless Moe]

.......for an additional fee we will inscribe the Ruth ball to your name in his hand.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Leon

To me that listing is outright fraud.

To me, this has gone past "their opinion"

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by JT

Don't forget the PSA/DNA "certified" Babe Ruth signed ball.

http://www.myccsa.com/Lot/260/babe-r...-baseball.aspx

PSA and the (at the time) senile Andrew Bradley (now deceased) teaming up on that beauty. SWEET.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Kawika

These guys are utterly without shame. How they have dodged justice for all these years now is a mystery.

Justice does not give a damn in this instance.
Despite the best efforts of a board member, they continue to exist.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

.......for an additional fee we will inscribe the Ruth ball to your name in his hand.

This crap of charging to inscribe has got to stop .

[thebigtrain]

OP here.

I'm a NJ attorney, and am putting in a call tmrw to a friend who works at the Bucks County PA district attorney's office.

I do believe this listing crosses the line into common law fraud. The side panel of that pack, per the above poster who said Liggett Group, Inc did not come about until the 1970s, must have a Surgeon General's Warning. Here's an identical pack for sale now on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960...item2a3e731e30

The operators of Coach's really need to be arrested and charged asap. They clearly engage in "willfull blindness" at the very least, and one assumes it is Coach's staff and not the consigners who write the auction listing copy.

[RichardSimon]

the bid is $77.
a LE agency will not go after a $77 fraud.
let it sell at a higher price and maybe you will have a shot.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Whoever runs that place should be taken out back to the woodshed and whipped with a peach tree limb - a nice thin, limber one.

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Lee Trythall and Scott Malack.

Over the past five years I've given them a ton of free advertising.

[GrayGhost]

Chris, I watched some of your vids today again. Its so disgusting, esp how Taylor never took u up on challenges

I have come to a decision, they have NO consignors. its a big operation, fake moron "authenticator", some people who go out and buy old paper and books and albums to use the paper for cuts. Thank you got the actual forgers. I have a feeling this would be awesome and shockingly big if ever busted.

I mean, naivity is gone. Sholess Joe signed ball, looks like it was done today? SO BAD and the usual crap. Coach's commode. where the CRAP IS

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Chris, I watched some of your vids today again. Its so disgusting, esp how Taylor never took u up on challenges

I have come to a decision, they have NO consignors. its a big operation, fake moron "authenticator", some people who go out and buy old paper and books and albums to use the paper for cuts. Thank you got the actual forgers. I have a feeling this would be awesome and shockingly big if ever busted.

I mean, naivity is gone. Sholess Joe signed ball, looks like it was done today? SO BAD and the usual crap. Coach's commode. where the CRAP IS

Scott, I agree.

I do believe they have had the same consignors for years.

I actually email Ted Taylor every couple months.

His last reply to me was "You'll always be a jerk."

And I replied with "Ted, and you'll always be on Ebay's Banned COA list."

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Scott, I agree.

I do believe they have had the same consignors for years.

I actually email Ted Taylor every couple months.

His last reply to me was "You'll always be a jerk."

And I replied with "Ted, and you'll always be on Ebay's Banned COA list."

It amazes me how someone can be a jerk, just because he has the guts to CALL OUT A CRIMINAL. Someday, and we'll all get together for Take out Chinese and drinks to party when these clowns get nailed

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

It amazes me how someone can be a jerk, just because he has the guts to CALL OUT A CRIMINAL. Someday, and we'll all get together for Take out Chinese and drinks to party when these clowns get nailed

It's okay, Scott. I accepted Ted's "jerk" comment as a compliment coming from him.

He (Ted Taylor) has left quite a legacy of himself for his family to remember him by.

He should be ashamed of himself.

He comes across as a sincere member of the hobby while at the same time "authenticating" thousands of forgeries.

[thebigtrain]

Agree 100% with the "no consigners" theory. Bet they simply troll flea markets and such and buy old books, Xmas cards, etc to forge.

Ever notice how many Babe Ruth, Christy Mathewson etc inscribed Xmas cards they offer every month? Check out this turd:

http://www.myccsa.com/lot/260/joe-ja...card-page.aspx

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Leon

To me that listing is outright fraud.

Leon, what else is new (with Coach's Corner)??
Val

[Bored5000]

Wow, you guys are really missing the boat looking at the unopened Piedmont pack. This may be the "greatest" CC auction ever. I couldn't stop scrolling through the auction because I kept wanting to see what was next. The stuff in this auction would be worth hundreds of millions of dollars IMO if it was real.

Cuts from George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Wilbur Wright, Sitting Bull, George Custer (2), Abraham Lincoln (2), Herbert Hoover, John Dillinger, John Adams, Billy the Kid, Andrew Jackson, Mark Twain, Buffalo Bill Cody, Harry Houdini, Albert Einstein, John Tyler, Jimi Hendrix, James Dean, Walt Disney, Neil Armstong, Patsy Cline.

Single signed baseballs from James Dean, Charles Lindbergh, Marilyn Monroe, Howard Hughes, Elvis Presley, Walt Disney, Bob Dylan, Mick Jagger, Wee Willie Keeler, Eddie Plank, Josh Gibson, Cap Anson, Candy Cummings, Johnny Evers, Buck Ewing, Sam Thompson, John Clarkson, Christy Mathewson, Turkey Stearns, Cy Young, Hugh Duffy, Charles Comiskey, Jake Beckley, Roger Bresnahan, Nap LaJoie, John McGraw, Amos Rusie, Jim O'Rourke, Jack Chesboro, John Montgmery Ward, Hugh Jennings.

Winston Churchill and FDR dual signed baseball.

JFK/Jackie Kennedy dual signed baseball.

Paul and Lloyd Waner dual signed baseball.

Envelope signed by Robert E. Lee.

Lot of seven Neil Armstrong signed index cards

Lot of four Truman Capote signed index cards

Lot of 10 Ray Charles signed index cards

Lot of six Lady Bird Johnson signed index cards

Lot of three Rosa Parks signed index cards

Lot of three Natalie Wood signed index cards

Hat signed by Princess Diana and Kate Middleton

Mother Teresa signed postcard

Jim Morrison signed postcard

Jayne Mansfield signed postcard

Jimi Hendrix signed photo

1913-15 unopened Fatima cigarette pack.

Mordecai Brown signed photo.

Hack Wilson signed photo,

Jim Thorpe signed photo

Hundreds of cuts and signed photos from current and past actors, actresses and musicians.

[btcarfagno]

These asshats could run out a Jesus of Nazareth signed head of John the Baptist (Styrofoam of course) and the LE still would do nothing.

The "Ruth" ball is up over $2k if that is big enough to warrant someone looking into it.

Tom C

[Bored5000]

As over the top as CC is with autographs, how do they not have J.D. Salinger or Steve Jobs autographed baseballs? Perhaps Salinger paired with Harper Lee on a dual-signed ball.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

These asshats could run out a Jesus of Nazareth signed head of John the Baptist (Styrofoam of course) and the LE still would do nothing.

The "Ruth" ball is up over $2k if that is big enough to warrant someone looking into it.

Tom C

Lee Trythall and Scott Malack have been selling forgeries for twenty years. Tens of thousands of forgeries every year.

[sbfinley]

I used to wonder who was dumb enough to bid in their auctions, then once about two years ago a Christy Mathewson signed ball showed up on the local Craiglist. It looked strait of the a CC auction and sure enough I checked the last auction and it was lot # 4000 and something. I emailed the seller just to screw with him and see how much he wanted for it (it closed at CC for $200). He wanted 10k. That wasn't surprising. What was surprising was that the name affixed to the return email was that of my in-law's neighbor, a well-to-do business owner.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

It amazes me how someone can be a jerk, just because he has the guts to CALL OUT A CRIMINAL. Someday, and we'll all get together for Take out Chinese and drinks to party when these clowns get nailed

I will be there and also hopefully at the party when the turds from FLA go down.

[bbcard1]

I hear the way they get away with it is that anytime anyone has any question, reservation or problem, they refund their money without an issue or hassle. They probably do it because they know they have serious expose. I have a friend who has amassed quite a collection of auto cuts from CC...kind of feel sorry for him.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

I hear the way they get away with it is that anytime anyone has any question, reservation or problem, they refund their money without an issue or hassle. They probably do it because they know they have serious expose.

That is their game.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

That is their game.

Almost everything they do is "their opinion" or another company or person's opinion, which is difficult to prosecute in a court of law. I think it will be karma that eventually gets them, one way or the other. A person or company can't do that many bad things and get away with it completely.

[drcy]

The number of times you do something matters. If you leave a banana peal on the kitchen floor and someone slips on it, it's believable when you say it wan an accident. If you leave a banana peal on the floor twenty different times and twenty people slip on them, a judge will no longer believe it was accidental.

People say the police won't go after fraud if it involves only $25. But realize that 1,000 fraudulent sales of $25 each is $25,000.

The FTC is currently legally charging a phone company over a $9.99 overcharge on bills. The company is accused of the practice of bill padding, or trying to sneak under the radar a small surcharge for dubious or non-existent services. The bogus surcharges in bill padding are usually intentionally small so the customer doesn't notice, and the relative few customers who do notice and complain to the phone company often get individual refunds. The FTC isn't legally charging because a customer was overcharged $9.99. They're bringing the suit because customers were overcharged millions of dollars-- $9.99 at a time.

It can be safe to assumed that FTC will argue that if a single customer correctly points out to a company that a charge on his bill is bogus and illegal, it is not enough to refund just that customer. You have to refund everyone who paid that charge. And once it has been pointed to the company out that the charge is illegal, the company certainly can't continue to bill the charge. A company can perhaps reasonably argue ignorance over previous charges, but not for charges after it was informed and refunded the customers who complained.

The phone company has objected to the suit. Not because they say they didn't do the illegal practice-- they admit to doing it--, but because they say they already fixed the billing problem on their own.

Duly note that phone companies are a federally regulated industry and may have more and different rules and laws to follow than other industries.

[glynparson]

Doesn't every one of us call and complain to law enforcement and local da every time they run an auction. they may finally get tired of all the complaints and department time being tied up with these frauds that they actually decide to do something about it.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Doesn't every one of us call and complain to law enforcement and local da every time they run an auction. they may finally get tired of all the complaints and department time being tied up with these frauds that they actually decide to do something about it.

Glyn,

I feel if we do that, the local law enforcement will just add a prompt on their phone, something like:

"If you're calling about Coaches Corner Auctions, please leave a message"

Greg

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[Jay Wolt]

Just read this on their website, pretty scary!


Now with over 29,000 registered bidders and over 50,000 lots sold each year!

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Just read this on their website, pretty scary!


Now with over 29,000 registered bidders and over 50,000 lots sold each year!

I think that bidder number has too many zeroes. The truth and CC are never in the same room together .