Thought I'd try Sgc. Sadly....

[Phillies*phan]

I've been dealing with PSA since about 2002. I saw how everyone on net54 loves SGC, so I thought I'd give them a few cards and see how they do. I honestly think all the "overgraded" talk on this board may be raising they're standards. Any opinions on this Cobb would be appreciated. It has One 1/2" wrinkle at his shoulder and a clean back. I thought a 3 for sure maybe a 4. Huh. The Johnson is also crease free. The guy who filled out my paperwork said he was a grader and it would get a 5 or 5.5. Guess I'll just stick with PSA.

[Ladder7]

Accurate grading will not be tolerated in this hobby.

[sb1]

Both cards appear accurately graded. There is no way the Johnson would grade EX, not even on the west coast I would hope. The Cobb might warrant a VG grade based strictly on appearance.

[Delray Vintage]

Doug it seems like a reasonable grade, maybe cobb could have been a 40 but not higher

[Tcards-Please]

Nice cards Doug. It is hard to really tell from the scans, but from my experience with SGC, it looks like the Cobb and Johnson were graded pretty accurately. Depending on the wrinkle, it does appear that the Cobb could have received a 3, nothing higher though.

r/
Frank

[CMIZ5290]

For what it's worth, i agree with the grade of the cobb with it having a small paper wrinkle.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I have seen numerous T206s that look like the Johnson in 60 holders.

[Bicem]

grading is subjective, just keep sending them in until you get the desired grade.

[calvindog]

The Johnson is a 4 or a 5, the Cobb a 2 or a 3. Stop whining and go back to PSA.

[Delray Vintage]

I think the Johnson corners do not deserve a 60 close but not there.

[ullmandds]

When one is accustomed to PSA's overgrading...it can be frustrating to cross over to SGC.

[CMIZ5290]

I agree with peter, but those 60's were badly overgraded.

[nolemmings]

First of all Doug, those are nice cards. They look the same now as they did before you had them graded, which is to say they looked nice and I assume you were happy with them. I wouldn't get too bummed about your first submission.

I would tend to agree with what others have posted. I would not expect a card with a 1/2 inch "wrinkle" (read minor crease) across the image to receive any higher than a 3 on its best day. As for the Johnson, your scans are a bit blurry to these tired old eyes, but it looks like there might be some discoloration in that upper left corner. If not, I could maybe see that card grabbing a 60 on its best day, but the corners are a bit too rounded to call that a sure thing, and a 70 is a big stretch, IMO. Compare a Polar Bear WaJo PSA 4 on ebay right now--it has sharper corners and similar centering to yours with minor discoloration typical of that ad back. IMO, that card is accurately graded, and it too is very nice.

I know folks here are biased a little toward SGC, but I don't think you got a bum deal. I'd give them another shot or two.

[calvindog]

Yeah, definitely go back to PSA, they really grade cards accurately.

[chaddurbin]

i'd take a t206 demmitt over that cobb (probably a 3 tho)

[Phillies*phan]

Jeffrey, do you work for SGC? You seem very upset. This was not my intention. If I offended you in any way, I'm sorry. I justed wanted some feedback on normal sgc grading as the diferance in a cobb 2 or 3 is several hundred dollars.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Perhaps you should have trimmed them first.

[Rickyy]

Nice cards Doug...Johnson might have gotten another grade up..but the crease is a big downgrade on SGC even if the cards look nice overall...

[Peter_Spaeth]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

another

[calvindog]

Doug, I don't work for SGC but I find it annoying when people run on the board with fairly graded cards (either SGC or PSA) and whine about how unfairly they were treated. As Todd pointed out, they're the same cards prior to you getting them slabbed and you liked them just fine then. I routinely feel like I get the shaft upon submitting cards...but it is what it is. And I'm not down on PSA as I have thousands of cards graded by them including some high grade vintage sets.

[Peter_Spaeth]

and another

[calvindog]

This one still drives me crazy.

[CMIZ5290]

Oh boy, that gasper is hideous!!

[CMIZ5290]

Jeff- what about the reverse of that cobb??

[packs]

Both cards appear to be miscut. Does that factor into the grading at SGC?

[Peter_Spaeth]

here's one for you kevin
i would give the walt a 60

[steve B]

How did that rate a 60? Mine seem to get hit pretty hard. Edit to say I mean the Cranston. Slow typing and I'm a whole page behind....

I'd think the Cobb is right as a 30 with the crease, and the Johnsone seems right as vg-ex.

The ones below I think are a little low. Maybe a lot low looking at those last two.

Steve B

[CMIZ5290]

Peter- decent looking corners on the doyle, typical staining with polar bear, but i get your point. Just for kicks and giggles, is it available for sale?

[Peter_Spaeth]

scans were on a quick ebay search all cards are there

[egbeachley]

If you want 5's or 6's, send them to PSA. If you want 10's, send them to BCCG.

[David W]

Grading is an opinion. You payed for SGC's opinion and they gave it to you.

Send them off to PSA and see if they agree with SGC's opinion. Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

I finally wised up last year and quit wasting my money sending cards off to PSA for their opinion, when mine worked just fine.

[wonkaticket]

Yep those are the breaks welcome to my world....

Those wacky grading guys they will get you every time.

[wonkaticket]

Two more...



Doug no offense if they gave you a SGC 70 5.5 on your Johnson...I would have too knock stuff over at SGC's booth in Oakes.

[bobbyw8469]

I see alot of wonderful, undergraded cards (especially on page #4!)....if anyone wants to sell any at VCP average, I am a buyer (with my Drimmel at hand!).....

[3-2-count]

That's why I buy the card, not the number on the slab. I could give a rats arse what number's are displayed on the flip.

[Anthony S.]

Wonka, I hope you don't let hemophiliacs linger near the corners of those cards. Very sharp.

[wonkaticket]

Tony as always wow! That Lajoie is off the hook amazing! The others too.

[CMIZ5290]

Tony- how much for the lajoie?

[3-2-count]

2 more, (who cares what the flip says) cards!!

[3-2-count]

Thanks John, much appreciated. Yours are stunning as well. Kevin the Lajoie is what one speaks of when they say, "Untouchable"....

[CMIZ5290]

tony- obviously, these cards have other issues such as wrinkles or other condition problems. would that be accurate?

[CMIZ5290]

tony- in the world of sports cards and memorabilia, nothing is "untouchable"!

[RayBShotz]

Holy Crap Tony! Those cards are brilliant beauties!
RayB

[CMIZ5290]

Come on guys! Ease up a little on sgc grading. All of tony's examples are sgc grades. I have numerous cards, like tony, graded by psa that appear to be 3 to 4 grades higher than the grade given. One small paper wrinkle literally naked to the eye will lower the overall grade by up to 3 full grades. i have a t206 green cobb psa 4 that you would swear is a 8!

[wonkaticket]

Tony, LOL right there with you who needs the flips, if I want to collect plastic there is always Tupperware. LOL

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

Wonka, I hope you don't let hemophiliacs linger near the corners of those cards. Very sharp.

LOL now that is funny.

[oldjudge]

Easy Jeff. His name is Doug Bacon, not Doug Allen.

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

tony- obviously, these cards have other issues such as wrinkles or other condition problems. would that be accurate?

Kevin. Yes, all have a blemish, but who cares. Not I for sure.


ps- John your kill'in me with those cards. I think we share the same "IT" factor in our criteria of collecting..... Those are just gorgeous.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Easy Jeff. His name is Doug Bacon, not Doug Allen.

Sorry, all I saw was "Doug" and some whining.