SGC has gone to far on these...

[BobbyVCP]

Sorry but these never should of been graded...is this the new SGC or the old? Cut from a team composite?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_1984wt_902

[prewarsports]

The scan is hard to tell because of the black background of the insert on the SGC holder and the black background of the card. These are machine cut photos of each player mounted to a black background and the entire item folds up to display each player/card in an accordian style "wallet" of ballplayer photos.

These are from an accordian style collectible of the 1919 Reds. They are as much cards as the Baltimore Shirt Company issue which is almost identical in the way it was constructed and distributed, so the fact that most people consider these to be "cards" is not a stretch at all. They were not cut, but seperated along seams to make the cards seperated from the entire piece, but you are correct that it came from a larger piece as issued.

If you dont have a problem with the Baltimore Shirt Company cards, you shouldn't have a problem with these, but if you dont think think that stuff like either of these sets should be graded, I am not going to argue with you. It is an opinion thing which is why they just graded Authentic I am sure.

[Jay Wolt]

On the flip it states it has been "cut" and it grades an Auth, not a numerical grade.
So I see no problem w/ what SGC has done

[fkw]

Here is the one I have...

[AndyG09]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

On the flip it states it has been "cut" and it grades an Auth, not a numerical grade.
So I see no problem w/ what SGC has done

I agree completely.

Andy

[JamesGallo]

Not sure what the problem is. SGC put on the flip that the piece is cut from a larger item. It did not get a grade only authentic.

All they did was slab an item.


As they used to say Where's the Beef!!!!

James G

[slidekellyslide]

Gotta agree with everyone here...SGC should be able to slab anything they want if they put AUTH on it.

[BobbyVCP]

So let me get this straight it is not okay for topps to take a Ruth bat or jersey and chop it up into a 1000 pieces and stick it on a card and sell it? But it is perfectly fine for some person to take a full composite and chop it up and get each piece graded and sell it. Maybe it is just me but if SGC would never of offered to grade the pieces then that original composite would be whole like it should and not one big giant puzzle.

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

So let me get this straight it is not okay for topps to take a Ruth bat or jersey and chop it up into a 1000 pieces and stick it on a card and sell it? But it is perfectly fine for some person to take a full composite and chop it up and get each piece graded and sell it. Maybe it is just me but if SGC would never of offered to grade the pieces then that original composite would be whole like it should and not one big giant puzzle.

And how do you know it was intact to begin with? Did you sell the person the composite piece??? Just saying!!

[chris]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Gotta agree with everyone here...SGC should be able to slab anything they want if they put AUTH on it.

I agree.

Chris

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

So let me get this straight it is not okay for topps to take a Ruth bat or jersey and chop it up into a 1000 pieces and stick it on a card and sell it? But it is perfectly fine for some person to take a full composite and chop it up and get each piece graded and sell it. Maybe it is just me but if SGC would never of offered to grade the pieces then that original composite would be whole like it should and not one big giant puzzle.

They didn't grade it....they deemed it authentic and slabbed it.

[prewarsports]

SGC did get one thing wrong, this was not a composite that was cut up. It is an accordian style set of photo cards that simply torn at the seams like strip cards and the baltimore shirt company cards. These were made in a way so that kids could seperate them and have a set of cards, unlike a composite photo which were not intended for kids or to be seperated out. These are more "card" like than people are giving them credit for, and there are several known of this wallet of players and this is not ANYTHING like a composite photo that was chopped up. It does not change the fact that some people will disagree that things like this should not be cut up, but it is NOTHING like a chopped up jersey or bat or photo, this is a KNOWN set of cards and no cutting was involved at all, they were simply pulled apart at the seams as was common for this issue.

[novakjr]

This whole scenario reminds me a little of the cheapo grading companies that grade the individual pages that are cut out of the Goudey flip books. It really pissed me off when I see those.

[Baseball Rarities]

Weren't 1912 Boston Garters originally issued in an accordian style panel also?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Weren't 1912 Boston Garters originally issued in an accordian style panel also?

They were given to store owners, or others on request, to put on display in windows in order to help sell the Garters or to collect as a set of cards. I do agree with the sentiment that it's ok to slab almost anything authentic as long as it's authentic. Makes no difference to me...

[Baseball Rarities]

I assumed that that they were all issued like this phenomenal uncut sheet that I found in the Archives if this board. It looks to me that yours even has a bit of extra paper in the upper right that might be a result of being separated from an accordian sheet.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

I assumed that that they were all issued like this phenomenal uncut sheet that I found in the Archives if this board. It looks to me that yours even has a bit of extra paper in the upper right that might be a result of being separated from an accordian sheet.

That is my assumption too. They were issued in panels to store owners or you could send off for them through the mail as a layperson. I was only extrapolating them being "cards" after having been torn or cut apart, which I didn't communicate. I have always believed they were issued in panels of four too......That is a phenomenal BG panel.

[barrysloate]

I don't think you can find those Boston Garters any way except separated. As an aside, I've seen that panel in person. One of the best pieces of baseball memorabilia around.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

I assumed that that they were all issued like this phenomenal uncut sheet that I found in the Archives if this board. It looks to me that yours even has a bit of extra paper in the upper right that might be a result of being separated from an accordian sheet.

Yes, that Archive fellow has an impressive collection!

[bcbgcbrcb]

SGC has now started encapsulating tickets and photos also, everything as "Authentic" (no "type" designation on the photos that I have seen thus far). There are a bunch listed currently on e-bay, all seem to be from the same seller, frankjprisco.

[Exhibitman]

Photos, tickets, cuts from strips and other similar issues, all "A" Ok with me. My only quibble is that I don't see a clearly stated policy of what it slabs. I'd like to see an 'official' announcement so I can know whether to waste the postage sending SGC photos and the like for slabbing.

[Jay Wolt]

Here's a card I wanted slabbed a skinned N284 that both SGC & PSA wouldn't slab.
If it is authentic, which this is, why not then? Just indicate it on the flip.
The old GAI was happy to take my $$$ to encapsulate it.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Jay:

Assuming that you tried more than one month ago, why not try SGC now?

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Jay:

Assuming that you tried more than one month ago, why not try SGC now?

Phil, this was about 5 years ago.
Though about a year ago I had some Goodwin Champion Boxers that were skinned
and was told by SGC not even to bother to submit them as they would not be encapsulated.
So "Honest John" Morrill looks fine and protected nicely in the GAI slab,
will probably leave him be.

EDITED TO ADD: why would things be different in SGC's approach from the last month till now?

[Bicem]

If all BG's are cut from panels, should they not receive a numerical grade? What's the difference between them and the item that this thread was originally about?

[Matt]

A few years back SGC refused to slab a T206 with paper glued to the back as Authentic. I don't know if their policy has changed.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Jay:

Well, they never encapsuated tickets or photos before last month, why not give it a try? Maybe some things have changed with JSA in the picture now.

[novakjr]

BGS is apparently slabbing "Authentic" pages from the Spalding guides.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1920-Spalding-Ba...item4cf524b26a

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Yes, that Archive fellow has an impressive collection!

You just made the list, buddy.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by novakjr

BGS is apparently slabbing "Authentic" pages from the Spalding guides.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1920-Spalding-Ba...item4cf524b26a

Years ago there was a guy on ebay making his own slabs and selling Spalding Guide cuts...that guy was prolific..I couldn't get his listings out of my saved searches.

[bcornell]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Years ago there was a guy on ebay making his own slabs and selling Spalding Guide cuts...that guy was prolific..I couldn't get his listings out of my saved searches.

Libertyforall, aka Roy Huff. Lots of old posts about him - he may have invented retaliatory feedback towards buyers. Once eBay took that away, he and his book cut-outs disappeared.