T204 Question

[Griffins]

Hoping someone can confirm this, or debunk it.
Everything I've read (especially from Scott B's posts) states that there are only 6 square frames in the Ramly set- Bransfield, Anderson, Dineen, Burkett, Bancroft, and Moran. However, in searching vcp they also list Howard as being issued as a square frame. I've searched the archives of Mastro, REA, and everywhere else I can find but have yet to see any reference to this 7th card. Has anyone ever seen it, and if not any ideas where, why and how the Howard was added to the checklist? I"m very skeptical it even exists.

[andybecker]

i've always thought there are 6.

[bcornell]

The Lipset theory behind the Howard square frame was that since his T204 contains his first name (actually "Geo.") like the other 6 square border cards, that he must have one, also. But that's a fluke. There are 6 people in the square frame group and they all have a connection to Worcester, MA which Howard did not have. No one has ever seen a square frame Howard, which at this point almost certainly rules out that one exists. It's a catalog error that has persisted for a long time, but that's all it is.

As a native, I must point out that it's pronounced "Wuss-tah". Any Hollywood actor chewing the scenery would get that right.


Bill

[Peter W Thomas]

Over the years of collecting T204's I have had about 20 square boarders as I have upgraded. Can confirm what Bill said. I lived 30 miles east in Natick, but my grandparents who lived there assured me that it was pronounced "Wuss-Tah"

[bijoem]

I'm not sure I agree with Bill and Peter.

I lived near that area for about a year -
and the pronunciation I remember was closer to "Woostah". Almost like rooster with a 'w'.

[Bob Lemke]

Unless evidence surfaces of the existence of the Howard square-frame card in the next year, we'll delist it from the Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bijoem

I'm not sure I agree with Bill and Peter.

I lived near that area for about a year -
and the pronunciation I remember was closer to "Woostah". Almost like rooster with a 'w'.

In Yiddish...

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by bcornell

As a native, I must point out that it's pronounced "Wuss-tah". Any Hollywood actor chewing the scenery would get that right.
Bill

I live about an hour and a half south or Worcester, and hear it pronounced similary, like "WUH stuh", with emphasis on the first syllable. I intentionally pronounce it how it looks, like "war-cess-ter". Thats what I hate worse about living in New England. If you aren't going to pronounced the damn "r", then don't spell it with an "r"!!!!.

Where I work we build submarines and deal with "parts". When I first started, a guy kept talking about "pahts" or "pots". I had no freakin clue what he was talking about. I finally figured out he was talking about PARTS. Pretty funny

[Griffins]

Rob, you'd hate England then. "Leicester" is "Lester", "Gloucester" is "gloster".
It may be New England, but it sounds just like the old one.

[Vintagecatcher]

Bill and Peter have it right on the correct way to pronounce Worcester.

How do I know? I was born in Worcester, MA, and I lived in the area the first half of my life.


Patrick