Mile High & Legendary

[e107collector]

Both auction previews are now up for their November auctions.

Great selection of cards.

Tony

[glchen]

Legendary is going to be brutal, at least for me. There are many interesting lots, all with deceptively low starting prices.

[Old Hoss]

What are people's thoughts on lot #277 in the Legendary Auction, the c.1882 Detroit team cabinet? Do you see Hanlon and Bancroft in this photo?

Thanks!
Charles

[Matthew H]

Why does lot 125 have a numerical grade? I thought the borders were larger on the J=K cards.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

Why does lot 125 have a numerical grade? I thought the borders were larger on the J=K cards.

Here's an SGC 40/3 (Lajoie) for comparison, along with the one currently up for auction (Carrigan). I've not seen a lot of J=K cards, but these two seem to be typical as far as "normal" borders go. At least from what I've seen.

[Matthew H]

Wow, SGC made a really nice holder for your card! Congrats to them (and to you).

[bcbgcbrcb]

Charles:

I'm not a photo ID expert but I believe that Legendary has both Hanlon & Bancroft identified correctly.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

Wow, SGC made a really nice holder for your card! Congrats to them (and to you).

Wow, good point. I missed that on the Carrigan.

[Fred]

I don't want to change the direction of this thread but I still don't understand the grading standards.... how the heck can a numerical grade be assigned to cards/memorabilia that is obviously not factory cut?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Fred

I don't want to change the direction of this thread but I still don't understand the grading standards.... how the heck can a numerical grade be assigned to cards/memorabilia that is obviously not factory cut?

They are no different than the plethora of cards that weren't "factory" cut. They look at the dimensions and if they deem them to be large enough, then they get a number, if not, then they usually get an AUT. We don't have to like it, it's just the way it is. There are a ton of cards like this that get graded, including every day strip cards.

[Fred]

Leon,

You can probably guess all the directions this can take. I still think that grading a Zeenut with the coupon removed is no different than grading an OJ with the Old Judge ad removed from the bottom. The Zeenut with the coupon removed doesn't meet the size requirement of a full Zeenut from that year. Rather than go on I'll just stop there because this is going to be a case of opinions. One more thing, I've seen the grading companies have a lot of latitude on hand cut card sizes. They should publish a size criteria for hand cut cards so that everyone understands what is going to receive a numeric grade and what is going to get slabbed AUTH.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Fred

Leon,

You can probably guess all the directions this can take. I still think that grading a Zeenut with the coupon removed is no different than grading an OJ with the Old Judge ad removed from the bottom. The Zeenut with the coupon removed doesn't meet the size requirement of a full Zeenut from that year. Rather than go on I'll just stop there because this is going to be a case of opinions. One more thing, I've seen the grading companies have a lot of latitude on hand cut card sizes. They should publish a size criteria for hand cut cards so that everyone understands what is going to receive a numeric grade and what is going to get slabbed AUTH.

BTW, Fred, you realize we are on the same side of the argument about grading these kinds of hand cut cards? Besides high numerical grades on shadows of Old Judge cards, the grading of these "strip" or "box" cards is one of my biggest pet peeves. As far as publishing a criteria I think it might be different for each series, but the way it's been explained to me is, it is the "amount" of border(s) that are left. I get it, I just don't agree with the way they are done. I think they should all have a "handcut" caveat on their flips. At least then, no matter what, they will be technically correct.

[Fred]

I think the thing that really bugs me most is the hand cut cards that are graded 7's, 8's and 9's. You know, the ones that look like they could have been cut in the recent past.... It would be nice to have a committee of dedicated collectors that comes up with a standard for all grading companies. Call it the Net54baseball Standards. They have industry standards for so many things and it serves a good purpose... ok, I'm blowing off steam again... time to chill out and grab a bottle of brew...

[e107collector]

I just noticed in Mile High's auction, that the complete 1914 Cracker Jack set lot descritpion has been amended. It is not a complete set, it is missing 2 cards. The revision is showing up at the end of the description.

My question is, why don't they revise the auction title as well?

Tony

[quinnsryche]

Originally Posted by e107collector

I just noticed in Mile High's auction, that the complete 1914 Cracker Jack set lot descritpion has been amended. It is not a complete set, it is missing 2 cards. The revision is showing up at the end of the description.

My question is, why don't they revise the auction title as well?

Tony

Because it's not as an enticing attention grabber then is it?

[glenv]

Maybe the grading companies could offer a new trimming service. Submit for grading and trimming if guaranteed a minimum grade of 7? This would be a good candidate:

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