Best way to recoup on fakes

[LACardsGuy]

So, I took a risk and got burned by a scumbag in Indiana. Pointed out that the 6 cards he sold me for 600 bucks are worth 40 cents and his response is more or less, "Suck it!"

Going to my credit card company with as much documentation as possible. PayPal won't do squat because he shipped me something. Anyone else have any good experiences that they can share? I pointed out the illegality of moving counterfeit goods across state lines, etc.

Not fun.

[Leon]

As long as you paid with a credit card, and that bill has not been paid yet, this really should be a slam dunk for you getting your money back. Anyone that has been collecting for quite some time has had a situation like this. Do contact your credit card company immediately (as in call right now)....the sooner the better. I can't imagine them not being able to tell your offender that he just lost out. Let us know how it goes....regards

btw, I had a bad experience out of the hobby, sort of like yours. I got my CC company on the phone and then called the other person (while the CC company person was listening). The scammer on the other line admitted they rang up my cc without my permission. Just about that time my credit card company lady butted in and took care of the rest. It was sort of funny when it happened. I thought it was great. I immediately got my money back. regards

[Jim VB]

I don't understand how Paypal will do nothing. File a claim listing the reason "Not as Described." Paypal will, after trying to contact the seller, tell you to return the cards. At the very least, use Delivery Confirmation, but I would suggest getting a Signature Confirmation.

I have never had a problem with Paypal siding with a scammer.


Edited to add: Please out the auction/seller here, after you neg him!

[calvindog]

Credit card companies are usually great with this sort of problem...Amex is the best. You may have to show proof that the cards are fake. I once received a refund on a card that was returned as trimmed by PSA and sold as raw (and advertised as not trimmed).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeff you should buy trimmed cards in holders, not raw.

[calvindog]

Oh, I do that too.

[LACardsGuy]

paypal does NOT side with seller or buyer if it is not an Ebay transaction and seller can prove that something was mailed. e.g., if i sell you a stereo and you pay by PayPal and I mail you a dead cat in a box with delivery confirmation, that's good enough for them.

ONLY if it's Ebay do they get involved. I have contacted credit card and been told what I need to do. Better question is how can I punish this jerk? Maybe ruin his Ebay repuation. Muh-a-hah-hah-hah

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by LACardsGuy

paypal does NOT side with seller or buyer if it is not an Ebay transaction and seller can prove that something was mailed. e.g., if i sell you a stereo and you pay by PayPal and I mail you a dead cat in a box with delivery confirmation, that's good enough for them.

ONLY if it's Ebay do they get involved. I have contacted credit card and been told what I need to do. Better question is how can I punish this jerk? Maybe ruin his Ebay repuation. Muh-a-hah-hah-hah

I understand now. But on the other hand, it's tough to expect Paypal to be your savior for a transaction you choose to do off Ebay.

Your credit card company is your only bet.

[jimm]

True but both ebay and paypal take seperate cuts when you buy thru ebay. What are they doing to earn their cut when you don't use ebay? It wasn't under the gift heading was it?

[Doug]

Originally Posted by LACardsGuy

paypal does NOT side with seller or buyer if it is not an Ebay transaction and seller can prove that something was mailed. e.g., if i sell you a stereo and you pay by PayPal and I mail you a dead cat in a box with delivery confirmation, that's good enough for them.

I wonder what happens if you buy a dead cat in a box and someone sends you a stereo?

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by jimm

What are they doing to earn their cut when you don't use ebay?

I look at it this way. They are transfering money, almost instantly, anywhere in the world. For that they earn a fee. Western Union charges one. The credit card companies charge one. Even most banks cost you something (Free checking isn't really "free".) When someone sends me a paper check I have to drive to a bank, or an ATM that accepts deposits. That costs time and money.

The question of whether or not Paypal is worth their fee is up to each individual. But in this case, someone did an "off Ebay" deal and is now unhappy that he does not have all the protection that Ebay/Paypal offers.